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The Sandbox Setup

sl0nderman
almost 8 years

It's really sad that main has better setup diversity. Sure they may play Fancy Pants too much, but at least their competitive setups rotate and new things are coming into play every now and again. When I was testing out some new setups with the Role Patrol group, we were overlooked in sandbox but games filled in minutes in Main.

Closed roles didn't always exist. It was suggested back in 2011. When I joined in 2012, sandbox still wasn't completely dominated with closed roles games. Sandbox was just the lobby you could play for fun, instead of the serious attitude in Training or Competitive (for you newbies, training became Main lobby and the dedicated competitive lobby died off). When I started playing and I was my turn to host, I would hand make a setup each time, trying to put a little balance in it as I went. Maybe the Sandbox Setup is so popular out of laziness. It's right there, stickied, and ready to go and you know people will join it at this point so might as well, right?

Did you know there are over 1,200,000 setups saved? Sure most of them will be crap and duplicates, but even out of half of them Sandbox will be playing the same old closed roles one (with the occasional update with new roles, of course).

This is the part of the post when I do a counter point. "But sl0nderman," you are saying to yourself, "the beauty of closed roles is that you get a semi-unique setup each time you host!" Well this is where Sandbox gets part of it's reputation of "not trying." Yes, part of that is the lack of rules, but the other part is that there is less strategy in a closed roles setup than in normal ones. There's little to no way of knowing what roles are in play for the average player in the Sandbox Setup, which in turn causes people to not think about actions as much. Say you went to gun you friend but they were actually a granny and you died. Say everyone just automatically NL'd on the first day but there was an interrogator in play and he just killed the doctor. You can't fault the players for this, there's no way to play around literally every role in the game.

Maybe I've been around too long (which is silly because I've not even close to one of the oldest users on the site), but don't you get bored, Sandbox? Obviously there are those of you who are so done with games that you've complete given up and just sit around in the chat.

I invite everyone who is willing to play games to do a very simple thing. Host a different setup and try something new. There are literally a million to choose from. You'll probably start having more fun that you realize.

EDIT: SHUFFLING THE NUMBER OF PLAYERS AROUND IS FAKE DIVERSITY

The worst thing about sandbox games is...
41
players who suicide over small things.
17
the lack of effort.
3
the banality.
0
the randomness.
view
almost 7 years
https://epicmafia.com/setup/1456179 play this lol
moonlightseal
almost 7 years
The problems with open setups are people wont join it if it has the numbers of players that game / numbers of roles < 2

They wont join a 12 people game with 6 or 7 open roles


Secondly, mostly only the host know how to play open role setup well and most of the times host doesnt give any like guides or basic strategy to other people

Thirdly, the change from open role to closed role is an improvement, and look at the poll, no one complains about the closed roles, so changing back is unnecessary
quasimodo
almost 7 years
hi welcome to chili's
moonlightseal
almost 7 years
Ok what I see in the 12 people - 7v3v2 setup right now:

1. Most likely same old users in the last 12 months. People are getting boring cause no new role
2. In last month there r some main lobby players here. But turn out they have already known how to play those setups therefore the game is not mlee interesting with them
3. We havent messed enough with gambler and monkey, although they were out for a year
4. Custom games are bad, like ghost with the kicks. The mechanics mess up for some roles like ninja. The suibug is still there. But we cant change that
5. The things I see get more focused on is the forum atm. There are lots of time I see 2x people in lobby chat than in the game. Clearly people is get tired of the games in sandbox

Yeah I think we should change things, and changing the format is necessary. Heres the fact when we unsticky traditional format

1.People dont play open roles setup, if they see more than 5 roles in it
2. People join any kinds of closed role format, as long as there r enough people

So we can make a new closed role format and sticky it to create a new trend. But the question is. What we should make
SirAmelio
almost 7 years
this issue is actually becoming slightly better
nearbeer
almost 7 years
bless you
sl0nderman
almost 7 years
*sneezes*
sl0nderman
about 7 years

Entil says

I remember someone trying to be diverse and different, they got shot down immediately cause they weren't using the original sandbox setup.

ldiots will always complain and moan about something, if you want better setups why not make them yourself.


because people don't join them idiot
Entil
about 7 years
I remember someone trying to be diverse and different, they got shot down immediately cause they weren't using the original sandbox setup.

ldiots will always complain and moan about something, if you want better setups why not make them yourself.
XFire
about 7 years
i choose not to at this point
deletedabout 7 years
remember when plissken used to make setups
sl0nderman
about 7 years
*cough*
Sishen
over 7 years

PatrykSzczescie says

Without Main Lobby games you can get used to playing in Sandbox and learning. Without Sandbox you don't know how to play half of setups in Main Lobby, unless you stick to a few the same setups all along, such as mentioned Fancy Pants, Jan 2.0, etc.

Sandbox players are more competitive than these actually playing gold hearts in Main Lobby, as the point threshold is low and practically everybody can join comp. To win the game they usually lurk, pretend to be noob or use meta.

You can go playing comp and win a trophy quite easily, it's enough to consume all the gold hearts, which you gain for 5 games per day, and do your thing.


get back to your containment lobby
nearbeer
over 7 years

matt says

as a banned main lobby user, i can say that the setups were not diverse at all in the competitive round. 6 setups get comped but only one of them gets played. AKA lots of good setups do not get played because everyone wants Jan 2.0 or the damn sheriff setup.


Thankfully, sandbox has 540,334,650,000,000 setups with 12p mode

Just like how borderlands has a million billion guns right guys?
PatrykSzczescie
over 7 years
Without Main Lobby games you can get used to playing in Sandbox and learning. Without Sandbox you don't know how to play half of setups in Main Lobby, unless you stick to a few the same setups all along, such as mentioned Fancy Pants, Jan 2.0, etc.

Sandbox players are more competitive than these actually playing gold hearts in Main Lobby, as the point threshold is low and practically everybody can join comp. To win the game they usually lurk, pretend to be noob or use meta.

You can go playing comp and win a trophy quite easily, it's enough to consume all the gold hearts, which you gain for 5 games per day, and do your thing.
matt
over 7 years
as a banned main lobby user, i can say that the setups were not diverse at all in the competitive round. 6 setups get comped but only one of them gets played. AKA lots of good setups do not get played because everyone wants Jan 2.0 or the damn sheriff setup.
cub
over 7 years
give setups
Jesteroz
over 7 years
This is still a problem

bumped
sl0nderman
over 7 years

coolkidrox123 says

https://epicmafia.com/setup/1402650#


you didn't read the thread
coolkidrox123
over 7 years
https://epicmafia.com/setup/1402650#
EpicSides
over 7 years
I have 20+ awesome setups (just like plenty of other guys) but when we start them, ppl only join regular sandbox games so...
sl0nderman
over 7 years
that doesn't solve the problem
deletedover 7 years
use sammybox
sl0nderman
over 7 years
hey as long as we're necroing threads how about this one
sl0nderman
almost 8 years
well in many cases its either play the games or don't play at all. i don't particularly feel like hopping over to main every time i want to play mafia.