Since some users dislike the political discussions on the Sandbox lobby wall, I’ve decided to make a serious thread where people can discuss political issues/tangentially-related discourse.
Please keep name-calling to a minimum and remember that site rules still apply. While this “debate” is not technically “moderated,” I reserve the right to mute anyone who decides to make this thread all about Jamal or Neanderthals or whatever.
Please just try to use this space to contain conversations that are otherwise derailing in other places.
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sure it's good to remember that a right is an invented concept and not something inherent about nature but it's pointless to bring that up in every situation. we've gone way beyond being typical animals and we've established these systems that harm people.
Here's a question, and don't take this as a defense of nationalism but rather a question on the "right" to Earth.
Since the Agricultural Revolution, humans have caused a mass extinction and razed the Earth wherever we go. Humans are now amassing themselves in urban centers which not only have a negative impact on the health of the human beings inside of the cities, but also on the environment in and around the cities with pollution, off-gassing, climate change, and as mentioned before mass extinction.
Why do humans have the right to go wherever they want on this planet pillaging as they please? Who gave us that right? Why is it that morally, most nobody will bat an eye at the destruction of large predators in the wild when we ourselves are apex predators who removed ourselves from the direct food chain when we began mass farming projects (which in turn damage the environment)?
If your answer is "because we are intelligent," what is the line we draw in the sand for intelligence? Some species such as ravens, elephants, dolphins, and higher primates all show intelligence approaching the levels of young humans or higher. Furthermore, if you are going by the metric of intelligence by IQ then will you acknowledge that there are some humans with very, very high IQs and probably much smarter than you and I? Do they have "more" of a right to the Earth than you? That is a very messy argument that I'm sure the Alt-Right would like to take advantage of.
again who made you the judge of that? I can back my thing up with facts whereas all you got is people filled with spite and hate who happen to agree with you.
yes, the caravan of people that tried to get in because they felt entitled to be allowed in. they were doing it the completely wrong way and left-wing media was acting like it is our faults for not letting random foreigners parade into our country just because they hate their lives where they came from.
Most people are climate denialists in one form or another, in that they believe that in order to solve climate change they won't need to do anything inconvenience them. Science can say that climate change exists, but science can never say how to balance the costs of anti-climate-change measures against their benefits. Which leaves us with people pretending "I'll just reuse my grocery bags, while YOU cut emissions by 40%" is a reasonable compromise.
I don't understand the narrative that the evil corporations are causing climate change. It seems to me as just a way for people to abscond responsibility. Instead of them being responsible, the evil corporations are.
Sorry, but the very reason corporations are doing it is because consumers ultimately care more about prices than the environment, as seen by the fact that a large majority of consumers does not stop buying environmentally damaging goods. Corporations respond to consumer demand after all.
Carbon taxes are the most intuitive solution; nobody is going to stop your average person on going on an environmentally damaging overseas trip or cruise, but make it too expensive and it's a different story.
The issue is that this is political suicide. Just look at the Gilets Jaunes movement in France.
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okay, this is epic
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my political opinion is that the rights of gay and trans people should not be discussed as a political debate. this goes as much for all marginalized groups of people. bigotry is not an opinion
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ben shapiro is not a positive nor acceptable role model
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Just off the top of my head I can think of One Thing more unnecessary.
Edit: I fear that I may have been too subtle in this post for you to grasp what I was getting at. I was trying to imply that you and/or your posts are unnecessary.
Yes, I know, and that is one reason that "fully open borders," is a ridiculous idea. There needs to be a process.
The way it is now is a bit much, I know. I have friends who have gone or are going through the process of immigrating to the us, and it indeed is a ridiculous and overly bureaucratic process. It could be much more simplified.
However, "hey, whoever wants to move here, go ahead," is also a bit much to apply all over the world.
the original part of the US Constitution was meant to say that the God-given rights to people were "Life, Liberty, and Property", but once our founding fathers decided that they couldn't ensure property for everybody, they found a better way to end that phrase: "Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness (basically one's goal in life)"
people who are fleeing to America aren't just entitled to be citizens, they have to go through a process that ensures that you know the laws, rights, responsibilities that one may hold in that country.
The reason why this is needed is because if someone illegally migrates into another country and commits crimes, they can be let off on ignorance of the policies, and that is not what is best for national security.
