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Golbolcoover 7 years ago

Since some users dislike the political discussions on the Sandbox lobby wall, I’ve decided to make a serious thread where people can discuss political issues/tangentially-related discourse.

Please keep name-calling to a minimum and remember that site rules still apply. While this “debate” is not technically “moderated,” I reserve the right to mute anyone who decides to make this thread all about Jamal or Neanderthals or whatever.

Please just try to use this space to contain conversations that are otherwise derailing in other places.

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deletedover 7 years ago
oh wait no point having this conversation considering you pretended to be someone who's dealt with it
Psyover 7 years ago
sexual assault victim blaming now, huh? i guess i should've known this was where this was going. but anyway there has been serious lashback from righties like you towards these women so i really don't think they would have "faked" these allegations just to get sh*t from people claiming they did it to ruin lives
Brambleover 7 years ago
straight men and gay men can both exclude women, sexuality doesnt matter
deletedover 7 years ago
what of the women whose lives have been ruined by the men who r/ped them and have been painted into hysterical liars by a severely ignorant populace?
Brambleover 7 years ago
...are you using gay men as an insult?
you DO realize that sexuality has nothing to do with this, right?
deletedover 7 years ago
which women?
SteelixMegaover 7 years agoedited
Psy420
if you don't see any of that then you are seriously unaware or living under a rock because it happens everywhere, everyday, and is on the news ALL the time.
I don't see any hate on the news going towards the women who have faked r*pe allegations and ruined the lives of the people they accused.
Psyover 7 years ago
if you don't think that sexism is real, take a good read through r/inceltears and get back to me
SteelixMegaover 7 years ago
Bramble
then you must be blind then bc men are CONSTANTLY calling themselves "superior" to women and will literally exclude women from groups solely for the reason that theyre WOMEN

thats. sexism.
Wow, those men must be gay. I'd do anything to let a woman join my group :)
Brambleover 7 years ago
then you must be blind then bc men are CONSTANTLY calling themselves "superior" to women and will literally exclude women from groups solely for the reason that theyre WOMEN

thats. sexism.
Psyover 7 years ago
if you don't see any of that then you are seriously unaware or living under a rock because it happens everywhere, everyday, and is on the news ALL the time.
SteelixMegaover 7 years agoedited
Psy420
SteelixMega
my argument is that there is no societal difference between men and women, and you guys are on the defensive and saying that women don't have as good of lives as men, even despite the "50 privileges" video, and the proofs you just offered that anybody can use whichever products they want, and nothing is necessarily FORCED onto women for extra money.
the thing is is that ur refusing to look at the bigger picture here. sexism exists in so many subsets that are influenced and caused by other things. you don't really need deep analyzation skills to see that women are worse off then men tho bcus the facts are right there lol
yeah I don't see any men just going around hating women for being women. I don't see men taking advantage of women just because of women.

The United States is a terrible example of a place of where women have "oppression" as compared to places in the middle East where women have no rights, and are used as property.

Like seriously, people in America play the oppression card for ... being able to buy and use a man's razor?
Brambleover 7 years ago
hes just a kid he doesnt know any better lol
Psyover 7 years ago
SteelixMega
my argument is that there is no societal difference between men and women, and you guys are on the defensive and saying that women don't have as good of lives as men, even despite the "50 privileges" video, and the proofs you just offered that anybody can use whichever products they want, and nothing is necessarily FORCED onto women for extra money.
the thing is is that ur refusing to look at the bigger picture here. sexism exists in so many subsets that are influenced and caused by other things. you don't really need deep analyzation skills to see that women are worse off then men tho bcus the facts are right there lol
Brambleover 7 years ago
steelix youve been trying to argue the complete opposite of that

where is this argument even going?
SteelixMegaover 7 years ago
Bramble
i doubt thats the same razor you saw bc razors get gross after like... a few months
I don't use the women's razor.
Brambleover 7 years ago
it depends on how often you use it tbh but it should still be replaced on at LEAST a monthly basis
SteelixMegaover 7 years ago
Bramble
steelix im pretty sure youre confusing yourself bc now it looks like youve taken our side and have nothing else to argue when youre... agreeing with our statements
my argument is that there is no societal difference between men and women, and you guys are on the defensive and saying that women don't have as good of lives as men, even despite the "50 privileges" video, and the proofs you just offered that anybody can use whichever products they want, and nothing is necessarily FORCED onto women for extra money.
Psyover 7 years ago
sexism plays a large part in propaganda and the way things are marketed. in the area of gendered products it encourages us to buy the products meant for our sex and shame those who don't
Brambleover 7 years ago
i doubt thats the same razor you saw bc razors get gross after like... a few months
SteelixMegaover 7 years ago
Psy420
9 years ago ? weren't you like 6? don't think that experience counts for much buddy
it's still in there. The razor I use looks like a hotel one with one blade. The one that I have in the mirror closet has 3 blades, an intricate grip, and a rolling head. I am pretty sure the one that came in the house is more expensive than the one I use, not because it is a women's razor, but because of the usability, durability, and features.
Brambleover 7 years ago
steelix im pretty sure youre confusing yourself bc now it looks like youve taken our side and have nothing else to argue when youre... agreeing with our statements
Brambleover 7 years ago
you ever see those unnecessarily gendered products? like MENs soap and stuff that just has a "FOR MEN" label slapped onto it when it doesnt need to be?
SteelixMegaover 7 years ago
Just for those in the back, advertising targeting does not necessarily mean that the targeted group has to use it.

Males can use female shampoo if they believe it is best for them.

Females can use males razors if they believe it is best for them.

There is no inherent restriction in an open market, there is only choice and suggestion.
Brambleover 7 years ago
SteelixMega
Bramble
then by those standards womens razors shouldnt be more expensive than mens
if either can use either, then there is no disparity, the only disparity is in the personal choice and you can't blame it on society.

Good game, you proved me right.
it is societys fault, you see theres this thing that exists called S E X I S M.