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almost 6 years

Since some users dislike the political discussions on the Sandbox lobby wall, I’ve decided to make a serious thread where people can discuss political issues/tangentially-related discourse.

Please keep name-calling to a minimum and remember that site rules still apply. While this “debate” is not technically “moderated,” I reserve the right to mute anyone who decides to make this thread all about Jamal or Neanderthals or whatever.

Please just try to use this space to contain conversations that are otherwise derailing in other places.

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oh wait no point having this conversation considering you pretended to be someone who's dealt with it

Psy

almost 6 years

sexual assault victim blaming now, huh? i guess i should've known this was where this was going. but anyway there has been serious lashback from righties like you towards these women so i really don't think they would have "faked" these allegations just to get sh*t from people claiming they did it to ruin lives

Bramble

almost 6 years

straight men and gay men can both exclude women, sexuality doesnt matter

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what of the women whose lives have been ruined by the men who r/ped them and have been painted into hysterical liars by a severely ignorant populace?

Bramble

almost 6 years

...are you using gay men as an insult?
you DO realize that sexuality has nothing to do with this, right?

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which women?

SteelixMega

almost 6 years

Psy420 says

if you don't see any of that then you are seriously unaware or living under a rock because it happens everywhere, everyday, and is on the news ALL the time.

I don't see any hate on the news going towards the women who have faked r*pe allegations and ruined the lives of the people they accused.

Psy

almost 6 years

if you don't think that sexism is real, take a good read through r/inceltears and get back to me

SteelixMega

almost 6 years

Bramble says

then you must be blind then bc men are CONSTANTLY calling themselves "superior" to women and will literally exclude women from groups solely for the reason that theyre WOMEN

thats. sexism.

Wow, those men must be gay. I'd do anything to let a woman join my group :)

Bramble

almost 6 years

then you must be blind then bc men are CONSTANTLY calling themselves "superior" to women and will literally exclude women from groups solely for the reason that theyre WOMEN

thats. sexism.

Psy

almost 6 years

if you don't see any of that then you are seriously unaware or living under a rock because it happens everywhere, everyday, and is on the news ALL the time.

SteelixMega

almost 6 years

Psy420 says

SteelixMega says

my argument is that there is no societal difference between men and women, and you guys are on the defensive and saying that women don't have as good of lives as men, even despite the "50 privileges" video, and the proofs you just offered that anybody can use whichever products they want, and nothing is necessarily FORCED onto women for extra money.

the thing is is that ur refusing to look at the bigger picture here. sexism exists in so many subsets that are influenced and caused by other things. you don't really need deep analyzation skills to see that women are worse off then men tho bcus the facts are right there lol

yeah I don't see any men just going around hating women for being women. I don't see men taking advantage of women just because of women.

The United States is a terrible example of a place of where women have "oppression" as compared to places in the middle East where women have no rights, and are used as property.

Like seriously, people in America play the oppression card for ... being able to buy and use a man's razor?

Bramble

almost 6 years

hes just a kid he doesnt know any better lol

Psy

almost 6 years

SteelixMega says

my argument is that there is no societal difference between men and women, and you guys are on the defensive and saying that women don't have as good of lives as men, even despite the "50 privileges" video, and the proofs you just offered that anybody can use whichever products they want, and nothing is necessarily FORCED onto women for extra money.

the thing is is that ur refusing to look at the bigger picture here. sexism exists in so many subsets that are influenced and caused by other things. you don't really need deep analyzation skills to see that women are worse off then men tho bcus the facts are right there lol

Bramble

almost 6 years

steelix youve been trying to argue the complete opposite of that

where is this argument even going?

SteelixMega

almost 6 years

Bramble says

i doubt thats the same razor you saw bc razors get gross after like... a few months

I don't use the women's razor.

Bramble

almost 6 years

it depends on how often you use it tbh but it should still be replaced on at LEAST a monthly basis

SteelixMega

almost 6 years

Bramble says

steelix im pretty sure youre confusing yourself bc now it looks like youve taken our side and have nothing else to argue when youre... agreeing with our statements

my argument is that there is no societal difference between men and women, and you guys are on the defensive and saying that women don't have as good of lives as men, even despite the "50 privileges" video, and the proofs you just offered that anybody can use whichever products they want, and nothing is necessarily FORCED onto women for extra money.

Psy

almost 6 years

sexism plays a large part in propaganda and the way things are marketed. in the area of gendered products it encourages us to buy the products meant for our sex and shame those who don't

Bramble

almost 6 years

i doubt thats the same razor you saw bc razors get gross after like... a few months

SteelixMega

almost 6 years

Psy420 says

9 years ago ? weren't you like 6? don't think that experience counts for much buddy

it's still in there. The razor I use looks like a hotel one with one blade. The one that I have in the mirror closet has 3 blades, an intricate grip, and a rolling head. I am pretty sure the one that came in the house is more expensive than the one I use, not because it is a women's razor, but because of the usability, durability, and features.

Bramble

almost 6 years

steelix im pretty sure youre confusing yourself bc now it looks like youve taken our side and have nothing else to argue when youre... agreeing with our statements

Bramble

almost 6 years

you ever see those unnecessarily gendered products? like MENs soap and stuff that just has a "FOR MEN" label slapped onto it when it doesnt need to be?

SteelixMega

almost 6 years

Just for those in the back, advertising targeting does not necessarily mean that the targeted group has to use it.

Males can use female shampoo if they believe it is best for them.

Females can use males razors if they believe it is best for them.

There is no inherent restriction in an open market, there is only choice and suggestion.

Bramble

almost 6 years

SteelixMega says

Bramble says

then by those standards womens razors shouldnt be more expensive than mens

if either can use either, then there is no disparity, the only disparity is in the personal choice and you can't blame it on society.

Good game, you proved me right.

it is societys fault, you see theres this thing that exists called S E X I S M.