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about 6 years

Now as some of you may know we now have a "new" rule that has just been implemented.

Racial Slurs

Malicious use of slurs against players that are based on race and/or ethnicity. We will show absolutely no tolerance towards racist and xenophobic ideals.

Expires in 6 months

1) Warning

2) Site Ban

Now as Giga13 has already noted. Racist remarks are already covered in the current Hateful Comments rule.

Hateful Comments

Any form of severe or excessive hate speech or hateful language based on race, sexual orientation, gender identity, religion, mental capabilities, and other personal circumstances.

Meaning the new rule is redundant, and mainly just serves to increase penalties, and virtue signal.

I think the main problem with the rules is not the quantity, but clarity and enforcement.

So to increase clarity I would recommend changing the Hateful Comments rule to this:

Hateful Comments

Using hateful language with the intent to degrade, discriminate against, or humiliate another person.

Since we are all human, everyone is covered by this rule, and equally protected.

People shouldn't be banned only based on the content of their messages.

But instead also take into account the intent and the context of their messages.

Because I can say the same exact words with completely different meaning in different contexts. Like saying "I killed him." when playing a video game, verses saying "I killed him." after being asked if you committed a murder.


Now I have a perfect example of this:

Recently JM123 managed to receive the very first Racial Slurs Vio.

JM123 wrote: >half of the site will get banned my n'igga

But fortunately our hero BSM sprinted to the occasion and reported this heinous offender.

https://epicmafia.com/report/258927

Result: JM123 received Racial Slurs 1st - Warning

So what went wrong?

Lets first look at the context: JM123 was voicing his disagreement with the creation of a controversial policy. https://epicmafia.com/topic/91047?page=3&post_highlight=3131016

Now lets look at the intent: JM123 wished to express his view, that the enforcement of such a policy would result in many players being banned.

Finally lets look at the content: >half of the site will get banned my n'igga

Obviously the controversial word is n'igga, however I would argue that JM123 has not violated the Racial Slurs rules which is defined as: "Malicious use of slurs against players that are based on race"

While some people may consider n'igga to be a slur, JM123 did not use it maliciously against other players, or people to demean them.

In fact it is often used even till this day as a term of endearment between friends.

So the main issue in this occasion is the interpretation and enforcement of the Racial Slurs rule.

The result of this will be a chilling effect on freespeech, as I might be vio'd for simply discussing this topic right here and now.

Even though my intent is not to demean or be racist towards any person, but rather to allow people to joke and speak freely and only be punished when they are truly being hateful.

The letter of the law does not line up with interpretation of it.

Currently as it stands the real definition of Racial Slurs is

Racial Slurs:

Using n'igga or n-word no matter what your intent is.

This I believe is a very poor way to address things as heavy handed censorship doesn't actually protect the vulnerable, but simply stifles conversation and an open exchange of ideas.

TLDR:

- People should only be vio'd based on the intent and context of their messages.

- Bullies should be targeted not simply people who disagree with you.


Jeff: 'People outside of communities can stop virtue signaling their offense for the people within them. It’s a tired and gross practice to be offended for others who are not. It serves the purpose of trying to be holier than thou and is an ugly way to defend your point.'

Volta's Slur Whitelist: https://epicmafia.com/topic/91071?page=2

Check my story, The Peoples Village https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Q2yeMDXdG69ngAz3gw_0HWQoXNGPf479EW4BD369alY/edit?usp=sharing

Sources:

Songin New Rule Suggestion: https://epicmafia.com/topic/91047?page=3&post_highlight=3131016

Giga13 Response: https://epicmafia.com/topic/91060

BSM's Report: https://epicmafia.com/report/258927

BSM's Speech Code: https://pastebin.com/Z6B0hbJn (Adopted by Admin into censoring words)

https://epicmafia.com/lobby/rules

Should the intent and context of a message be taken into account before handing out a violation?
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Yes
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No
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I'm not sure
about 6 years
actually coco, what you're saying right now is violating the free speech i have on EpicMafia.edu to be racist so are you triggered, sjw snowflake?
about 6 years
and if you cant grasp or agree on the idea of people reclaiming their slurs, then that is FURTHER proof that you don't need to be using them.
about 6 years
lmao it was a joke. german pride is fine.
about 6 years
deary me. the downvotes has assured me that this is serious to some. which leaves me BAFFLED. i dont understand where the desire to say racial/homophobic/etc slurs comes from? can you not use your last 0.00000003 braincells to think of other words to use. NOT the ones that oppress/oppressed people. NOT the ones that the site asks you not to use. (so like a total of 5 words for yall basic slur users) Yall acting like we are asking you guys learn a new language. JUST. DONT. USE. THE. WORDS. no matter the context. its literally not asking you do to much. ITS ACTUALLY ASKING YOU TO DO LESS. can you not be more creative with language? are you really restricted to the use of 4 or 5 slurs??? ARE YOU PHYSICALLY NOT ABLE TO RESTRAIN FROM THOSE WORDS IN ANY GIVEN GAME OF MAFIA???? They made it clear they don't want that here, so keep it out. its actually not rocket science. Y'all have the right of freedom of speech ALL CONFUSED. Plot twist: you dont get to say whatever you want without consequence. sorry fellas.
about 6 years
this is the dumbest i have ever read tbh. im actually not 100% sure if this a troll or not.
about 6 years
So Irish pride good.
German pride evil.
about 6 years

PoliticallyCorrect says

So is Irish pride ok?


yes. germans are understandably a bit careful with german pride.
about 6 years

Volta says


JM123 says

https://epicmafia.com/report/259024

THEY ACTUALLY VIO'D THIS AHAHAHAHAHHA I'M DYING


nigg@rdly
/ˈnɪɡədli/
adjective
adjective: nigg@rdly
1.
ungenerous with money, time, etc.; mean.
"he accused the Government of being unbelievably nigg@rdly "
synonyms: mean, miserly, parsimonious, close-fisted, penny-pinching, cheese-paring, penurious, grasping, greedy, avaricious, Scrooge-like, ungenerous, illiberal, close;
antonyms: generous

imagine vio'ing someone just because a word sounds bad when it isn't


He used the word not in its intended form. It doesn't make sense AT ALL the way he used it, and he clearly intended for it to be a stand-in for the slur.
about 6 years
i dont know how to quote so pretend i am so i look smart

""It's still a slur, and if it's offensive to some, it could have to removed because zero tolerance does not mean "some" tolerance. I don't know why people keep arguing semantics. If they change it from a zero tolerance rule, we could have these discussions.""

shayne you have never expressed being uncomfortable or offended by my username, and no one has ever said they're uncomfortable iirc except granny and i respect that. i'm not upset about it, i understand it, and honestly i'd like to say that me and granny are pals. you're using me for an agenda and i really dont like it. i also think that i should be grandfathered in

we need to consider the truth about this rule. this rule is made to stop people saying the n word carelessly or other bad words. its not cool, and essentially this rule is trying to crack down on it. you're making hypotheticals to try and get the rule reworked, where in honesty, this rule is easy- don't say these words! if you're comfortable saying the n word or other bad words on this site you really need to think why. it takes 0 effort to not type a few letters and press send.

""Keep being you hen x""

love u granny.... icon..
about 6 years

Blister says

these mods are being real niggards about this


blister before you say bad words you should apply for slur whitelist
about 6 years
^this post is a free racial slurs vio for blister, in case someone wants to take it
about 6 years
these mods are being real niggards about this
about 6 years
montecarrlo this is for all the insults you made to my name some months ago, i usually dont report anyone but im glad you got this meme vio
about 6 years

JM123 says

https://epicmafia.com/report/259024

THEY ACTUALLY VIO'D THIS AHAHAHAHAHHA I'M DYING



nigg@rdly
/ˈnɪɡədli/
adjective
adjective: nigg@rdly
1.
ungenerous with money, time, etc.; mean.
"he accused the Government of being unbelievably nigg@rdly "
synonyms: mean, miserly, parsimonious, close-fisted, penny-pinching, cheese-paring, penurious, grasping, greedy, avaricious, Scrooge-like, ungenerous, illiberal, close;
antonyms: generous

imagine vio'ing someone just because a word sounds bad when it isn't
about 6 years
https://epicmafia.com/report/259024

THEY ACTUALLY VIO'D THIS AHAHAHAHAHHA I'M DYING
about 6 years

Blister says


Volta says


blacksnakemoan says

There is no white culture lmao.


name one part of black culture that doesn't involve whole lotta gang shít and shooting themselves


jazz. gotcha mate


jazz instruments -> saxophone
what are saxophones made of -> brass
who discovered brass -> German chemist Johann Glauber

sorry sweaty, jazz only exists thanks to white people
about 6 years
BSM why do you hate yourself so much?
about 6 years
So is Irish pride ok?
about 6 years

Volta says


blacksnakemoan says

There is no white culture lmao.


name one part of black culture that doesn't involve whole lotta gang shít and shooting themselves


jazz. gotcha mate
about 6 years

blacksnakemoan says

There is no white culture lmao.


name one part of black culture that doesn't involve whole lotta gang shít and shooting themselves
about 6 years
Korean = not a race. Korean pride? All good.

Puerto Rican = not a race. Puerto Rican pride? All good. (this one is probably an actual movement too)

Black isn't a race in the case of "black power/pride" because it's being used as shorthand for African American, which refers to the very specific group of people descended off of the kidnapped Africans who were enslaved in the US. It's used because that's the only common history they have. They can't identify as a specific ethnicity from Africa because slavers stole people from all over West Africa, and they didn't keep records. Family histories often don't exist before America.

White IS a race, and isn't a specific group. It's just everyone - Irish, German, Dutch, English ancestry are all white. Saying white pride isn't anything to do with your culture. There is no white culture lmao.
about 6 years
Song I'd prefer if you tried to refute my argument rather then censor me lol.
about 6 years

Songin says

Do we really need another thread? We have 2 others.


Do we really need another perspective? We have 2 other ones.
about 6 years

blacksnakemoan says


Black power is a movement that focuses on uplifting the culture and community of African Americans in response to racial oppression which treated them as subhuman.


This is not entirely true. Why did Malcom X and MLK have completely different views on whether people should say "Black Power" when marching?

Do you think MLK didn't understand the struggle that the black community was facing?


blacksnakemoan says


White power is a movement that focuses on promoting whites as superior to other races, not by giving whites any special attributes, but by suggesting that other races are lacking in basic aspects of humanity.


There are also black supremacists who say Black Power, who believe these exact same things about white people. It's wrong no matter who says it.


blacksnakemoan says


Think of it like a bully and a victim. The bully beats on the victim, and the bully is happy while the victim is miserable.



This is not a accurate representation. A better one would be there are two cliques in a highschool, a Korean clique, and a Puerto Rican clique.

The korean one says, Korean Power!
The Puerto Rican one says Puerto Rican Power!

They are both in groups oppressing outgroups based on race.


blacksnakemoan says


White power tears down those outside the group.
Black power raises up those within the group.


You can also say:
Black power tears down those outside the group.
White power raises up those within the group.

And it still works.

Because at the end of the day, at the core both groups are ideologically the same, and all that separates them is skin color.
about 6 years
Do we really need another thread? We have 2 others.