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about 6 years

Now as some of you may know we now have a "new" rule that has just been implemented.

Racial Slurs

Malicious use of slurs against players that are based on race and/or ethnicity. We will show absolutely no tolerance towards racist and xenophobic ideals.

Expires in 6 months

1) Warning

2) Site Ban

Now as Giga13 has already noted. Racist remarks are already covered in the current Hateful Comments rule.

Hateful Comments

Any form of severe or excessive hate speech or hateful language based on race, sexual orientation, gender identity, religion, mental capabilities, and other personal circumstances.

Meaning the new rule is redundant, and mainly just serves to increase penalties, and virtue signal.

I think the main problem with the rules is not the quantity, but clarity and enforcement.

So to increase clarity I would recommend changing the Hateful Comments rule to this:

Hateful Comments

Using hateful language with the intent to degrade, discriminate against, or humiliate another person.

Since we are all human, everyone is covered by this rule, and equally protected.

People shouldn't be banned only based on the content of their messages.

But instead also take into account the intent and the context of their messages.

Because I can say the same exact words with completely different meaning in different contexts. Like saying "I killed him." when playing a video game, verses saying "I killed him." after being asked if you committed a murder.


Now I have a perfect example of this:

Recently JM123 managed to receive the very first Racial Slurs Vio.

JM123 wrote: >half of the site will get banned my n'igga

But fortunately our hero BSM sprinted to the occasion and reported this heinous offender.

https://epicmafia.com/report/258927

Result: JM123 received Racial Slurs 1st - Warning

So what went wrong?

Lets first look at the context: JM123 was voicing his disagreement with the creation of a controversial policy. https://epicmafia.com/topic/91047?page=3&post_highlight=3131016

Now lets look at the intent: JM123 wished to express his view, that the enforcement of such a policy would result in many players being banned.

Finally lets look at the content: >half of the site will get banned my n'igga

Obviously the controversial word is n'igga, however I would argue that JM123 has not violated the Racial Slurs rules which is defined as: "Malicious use of slurs against players that are based on race"

While some people may consider n'igga to be a slur, JM123 did not use it maliciously against other players, or people to demean them.

In fact it is often used even till this day as a term of endearment between friends.

So the main issue in this occasion is the interpretation and enforcement of the Racial Slurs rule.

The result of this will be a chilling effect on freespeech, as I might be vio'd for simply discussing this topic right here and now.

Even though my intent is not to demean or be racist towards any person, but rather to allow people to joke and speak freely and only be punished when they are truly being hateful.

The letter of the law does not line up with interpretation of it.

Currently as it stands the real definition of Racial Slurs is

Racial Slurs:

Using n'igga or n-word no matter what your intent is.

This I believe is a very poor way to address things as heavy handed censorship doesn't actually protect the vulnerable, but simply stifles conversation and an open exchange of ideas.

TLDR:

- People should only be vio'd based on the intent and context of their messages.

- Bullies should be targeted not simply people who disagree with you.


Jeff: 'People outside of communities can stop virtue signaling their offense for the people within them. It’s a tired and gross practice to be offended for others who are not. It serves the purpose of trying to be holier than thou and is an ugly way to defend your point.'

Volta's Slur Whitelist: https://epicmafia.com/topic/91071?page=2

Check my story, The Peoples Village https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Q2yeMDXdG69ngAz3gw_0HWQoXNGPf479EW4BD369alY/edit?usp=sharing

Sources:

Songin New Rule Suggestion: https://epicmafia.com/topic/91047?page=3&post_highlight=3131016

Giga13 Response: https://epicmafia.com/topic/91060

BSM's Report: https://epicmafia.com/report/258927

BSM's Speech Code: https://pastebin.com/Z6B0hbJn (Adopted by Admin into censoring words)

https://epicmafia.com/lobby/rules

Should the intent and context of a message be taken into account before handing out a violation?
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Yes
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No
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I'm not sure
about 6 years

Flygon says


Flygon says

you also explicitly went to america just to have sex with teenagers after riding your wave of em adminship.


this part never got denied btw


Im not entirely sure how you think a 1 month long roadtrip in any sort of way implies I went there to solely teenagers, but okay lmao.
about 6 years

Flygon says

you also explicitly went to america just to have sex with teenagers after riding your wave of em adminship.


this part never got denied btw
about 6 years

Edark says

Have you already that you were banned for doxxing or do you need some refreshing of your memory?


your inability to understand what words mean shouldn't be as good of a comedic punchline to your own posts as it is, but here we go i guess.
about 6 years
I'd post the tyler the creator meme about walking away from the screen, but it has the nword in it so :(
about 6 years

Flygon says

the problem is that anger, for you, is fundamentally a choice instead of a response to a system that doesn't work. you're saying "flygon's choosing to be mad at people when he can choose to not be" when instead it's "flygon is reacting with anger because

actually i give up on this post, google it, i don't wanna have to spoonfeed you the legitimacy of anger or respectability politics


Your inability to control your emotions over a single epicmafia post is hilarious, in particular when you're getting offended on behalf of others and trying to take a moral high horse while you're justifying your insults when we're LITERALLY talking about not allowing hateful speech on the forums. The lack of self awareness is just comedic to say the least.

Have you already that you were banned for doxxing or do you need some refreshing of your memory?
about 6 years
Literally the normalization of slurs and other hateful rhetoric on this website is all thanks to an absent developer unable to knowledgeably select suitable administrators which will consistently enforce the written rules without more than an ounce of discretion

It's just been marinating in a cesspool for so many years that it just is now "normal"
about 6 years
we don't need a "racial slurs" vio to convince people like edark when they use the n word as an epic gag that they're not being racist. nor do we need to make it possible to have 3 HC vios and 1 "racial slurs" vio, because you're just giving more opportunities for someone to be awful and not ban them.
about 6 years
Considering that lucid is also not really invested in this discussion any more than a half-assed rule creation and limited interaction with pages of this thread, you probably will not get very far in the long run anyways
about 6 years
anyone else wanna name for me a site where i post "black people are ugly and do all the world's major crime" where i'll only get a 1/4th of a ban (the first of that fourth is a cyber slap on the wrist with literally no punishment) that i'm guaranteed to no longer have in 3 months instead of just outright banned on the spot with no discussion befitting me
about 6 years
I just think that if you're fighting for something you think is inherently good then you should exhibit similar qualities while fighting for it

I care about issues like these yeah but I also don't really care anymore because I have a lot less energy invested in pretty much everything
about 6 years
i'll verbally lash out at u with my E-FISTS.
about 6 years
why u @'in my girl. i'll beat u up.
about 6 years
@Irredeemable

Shenanigans is back
about 6 years
rutabega
about 6 years
Misty mist
about 6 years
our young cow boy has grown up into a disappointingly immature cow man.
about 6 years
Fundamentally and morally disagreeing with a system and being angry about it is not a choice necessarily but publicly lashing out at others as a way to fight is both unflattering and counterproductive to your goal
about 6 years
i'll do it

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r u ok slow
about 6 years
the problem is that anger, for you, is fundamentally a choice instead of a response to a system that doesn't work. you're saying "flygon's choosing to be mad at people when he can choose to not be" when instead it's "flygon is reacting with anger because

actually i give up on this post, google it, i don't wanna have to spoonfeed you the legitimacy of anger or respectability politics
about 6 years
LE EPIC TROLE FACE XDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
about 6 years
I do not know if that was directed at me but all I said was that everyone was mad and that is it

I mean besides the fact that you called someone "subhuman" and "flatass" and also said yesterday (regardless of who that person was or how heinous their actions) that you would be absolutely okay with them committing suicide

I just say, to that, Mad
about 6 years
I WATCH SOUTHPARK SO IM BETTER THAN YOU.
about 6 years
PLAY THE FANFARE, THE GOLDEN AGE OF 2010 HAS RETURNED. CARING ABOUT THINGS IS UNCOOL. APATHY IS **AESTHETIC**.
about 6 years
THE ENLIGHTENED CENTRIST HAS ENTERED THE ARENA.