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about 6 years

Now as some of you may know we now have a "new" rule that has just been implemented.

Racial Slurs

Malicious use of slurs against players that are based on race and/or ethnicity. We will show absolutely no tolerance towards racist and xenophobic ideals.

Expires in 6 months

1) Warning

2) Site Ban

Now as Giga13 has already noted. Racist remarks are already covered in the current Hateful Comments rule.

Hateful Comments

Any form of severe or excessive hate speech or hateful language based on race, sexual orientation, gender identity, religion, mental capabilities, and other personal circumstances.

Meaning the new rule is redundant, and mainly just serves to increase penalties, and virtue signal.

I think the main problem with the rules is not the quantity, but clarity and enforcement.

So to increase clarity I would recommend changing the Hateful Comments rule to this:

Hateful Comments

Using hateful language with the intent to degrade, discriminate against, or humiliate another person.

Since we are all human, everyone is covered by this rule, and equally protected.

People shouldn't be banned only based on the content of their messages.

But instead also take into account the intent and the context of their messages.

Because I can say the same exact words with completely different meaning in different contexts. Like saying "I killed him." when playing a video game, verses saying "I killed him." after being asked if you committed a murder.


Now I have a perfect example of this:

Recently JM123 managed to receive the very first Racial Slurs Vio.

JM123 wrote: >half of the site will get banned my n'igga

But fortunately our hero BSM sprinted to the occasion and reported this heinous offender.

https://epicmafia.com/report/258927

Result: JM123 received Racial Slurs 1st - Warning

So what went wrong?

Lets first look at the context: JM123 was voicing his disagreement with the creation of a controversial policy. https://epicmafia.com/topic/91047?page=3&post_highlight=3131016

Now lets look at the intent: JM123 wished to express his view, that the enforcement of such a policy would result in many players being banned.

Finally lets look at the content: >half of the site will get banned my n'igga

Obviously the controversial word is n'igga, however I would argue that JM123 has not violated the Racial Slurs rules which is defined as: "Malicious use of slurs against players that are based on race"

While some people may consider n'igga to be a slur, JM123 did not use it maliciously against other players, or people to demean them.

In fact it is often used even till this day as a term of endearment between friends.

So the main issue in this occasion is the interpretation and enforcement of the Racial Slurs rule.

The result of this will be a chilling effect on freespeech, as I might be vio'd for simply discussing this topic right here and now.

Even though my intent is not to demean or be racist towards any person, but rather to allow people to joke and speak freely and only be punished when they are truly being hateful.

The letter of the law does not line up with interpretation of it.

Currently as it stands the real definition of Racial Slurs is

Racial Slurs:

Using n'igga or n-word no matter what your intent is.

This I believe is a very poor way to address things as heavy handed censorship doesn't actually protect the vulnerable, but simply stifles conversation and an open exchange of ideas.

TLDR:

- People should only be vio'd based on the intent and context of their messages.

- Bullies should be targeted not simply people who disagree with you.


Jeff: 'People outside of communities can stop virtue signaling their offense for the people within them. It’s a tired and gross practice to be offended for others who are not. It serves the purpose of trying to be holier than thou and is an ugly way to defend your point.'

Volta's Slur Whitelist: https://epicmafia.com/topic/91071?page=2

Check my story, The Peoples Village https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Q2yeMDXdG69ngAz3gw_0HWQoXNGPf479EW4BD369alY/edit?usp=sharing

Sources:

Songin New Rule Suggestion: https://epicmafia.com/topic/91047?page=3&post_highlight=3131016

Giga13 Response: https://epicmafia.com/topic/91060

BSM's Report: https://epicmafia.com/report/258927

BSM's Speech Code: https://pastebin.com/Z6B0hbJn (Adopted by Admin into censoring words)

https://epicmafia.com/lobby/rules

Should the intent and context of a message be taken into account before handing out a violation?
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Yes
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No
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I'm not sure
about 6 years
are we still calling me (someone with autism) screenshotting a PM harry sent me where he admitted he had autism doxxing? like i left and yall were still doing that
about 6 years

SHENANIGANS says

or maybe it's context, not intent.


What do you mean?
about 6 years

blacksnakemoan says


Korean = not a race...
Puerto Rican = not a race ...
Black isn't a race ...
White IS a race, and isn't a specific group...


Black isn't a race, and White isn't a race.

Korean is a race. Puerto Rican is a race.

Race:
1. A group of people identified as distinct from other groups because of supposed physical or genetic traits shared by the group. Most biologists and anthropologists do not recognize race as a biologically valid classification, in part because there is more genetic variation within groups than between them.

https://www.thefreedictionary.com/race
about 6 years

PoliticallyCorrect says

However using a Racial Slur is Not equal to racism. As can be seen when many rapper's *constantly* use racial slurs in their songs. But get mad if their fans copy them.

Hmmmm....

Maybe *intent* matters?


or maybe it's context, not intent.
about 6 years
Doxxing people is bad. (Unless you are bringing justice to a crime, like a kidnapping or murder. But that is very rare.)

Pedophilia is bad.

Racism is bad.

However using a Racial Slur is NOT equal to racism. As can be seen when many rapper's constantly use racial slurs in their songs. But get mad if their fans copy them.

Hmmmm....

Maybe intent matters?
about 6 years
Lmao hi lag already on next page lmao
about 6 years
no WE'LL beat u up
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dont say my true name backwords or you'll disable my superpowers! D:
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egad, i've been unmasked.
about 6 years

blacksnakemoan says

who are you shenanigans, you've been my favourite entry to this thread


mist
about 6 years
who are you shenanigans, you've been my favourite entry to this thread
about 6 years

MisterPresident says

My original "Hey why is everyone mad" post was not meant to be taken very serious, as evidenced by its sloppy wording and its goofy placement in the discussion

I guess my (lack of) intentions weren't clearly judged lol rip


rutab confirmed shitposter
about 6 years
i was vio'd for saying ***** what do i do
about 6 years
ok i lied all those times i said i hate EM i fᴜcking love this site
about 6 years

MisterPresident says

Fundamentally and morally disagreeing with a system and being angry about it is not a choice necessarily but publicly lashing out at others as a way to fight is both unflattering and counterproductive to your goal


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PROTEST IS BAD DO NOT BEHAVE BADLY ADHERE TO SOCIETAL NORMS EVEN IF THE SOCIETY DOES NOT EMBRACE YOU
about 6 years
My original "Hey why is everyone mad" post was not meant to be taken very serious, as evidenced by its sloppy wording and its goofy placement in the discussion

I guess my (lack of) intentions weren't clearly judged lol rip
about 6 years

MisterPresident says

Also I wasn't really preaching apathy but rather being appropriately impassioned rather than thrashing around and doing damage to people and things which shouldn't be targeted


fine line to toe for someone making "y u mad tho" posts imo but fair enough.
about 6 years
Right now it's fine, I still really like coming to epicmafia.com when I have the time. If it ever becomes too much for me, and I don't like the rules of his house, I'll stop coming to visit. That's just my philosophy of the internet in general anyway and I feel like a lot of people would be better off if they adopted it too, personally.

That being said, it's fine to care about the happenings on a site you frequently visit, but not to the point where you're doing some things that aren't civil in order to try and get what you want to happen, imo.
about 6 years
Also I wasn't really preaching apathy but rather being appropriately impassioned rather than thrashing around and doing damage to people and things which shouldn't be targeted
about 6 years

SHENANIGANS says

indirectly preaching apathy by shaming impassioned people in a discussion about social injustice is really really really bad and you should never ever do it. thank you for attending my ted talk.


There's a good passion and a bad passion. I believe a lot of what just happened (especially yesterday) was not good passion
about 6 years

MisterPresident says

Literally the normalization of slurs and other hateful rhetoric on this website is all thanks to an absent developer unable to knowledgeably select suitable administrators which will consistently enforce the written rules without more than an ounce of discretion

It's just been marinating in a cesspool for so many years that it just is now "normal"


You just gotta get lucky and post at the same time he does or when he's reading these threads for your idea to maybe be heard/seen/acknowledged

But at the same time he's gonna do what he wants since it's his website. If he doesn't like an idea that some other people do, that's fine since this is his house. And I personally am not gonna get upset at him for his decisions since I'm the one making the choice to visit.
about 6 years
indirectly preaching apathy by shaming impassioned people in a discussion about social injustice is really really really bad and you should never ever do it. thank you for attending my ted talk.
about 6 years

Arc says

Hey Edark what's good


whats up robert, hows arcmafia going?
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Hey Edark what's good
about 6 years
Nor do I understand why you relate em adminship with having sex with girls, thats such an absurd thing to claim.