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about 6 years

Now as some of you may know we now have a "new" rule that has just been implemented.

Racial Slurs

Malicious use of slurs against players that are based on race and/or ethnicity. We will show absolutely no tolerance towards racist and xenophobic ideals.

Expires in 6 months

1) Warning

2) Site Ban

Now as Giga13 has already noted. Racist remarks are already covered in the current Hateful Comments rule.

Hateful Comments

Any form of severe or excessive hate speech or hateful language based on race, sexual orientation, gender identity, religion, mental capabilities, and other personal circumstances.

Meaning the new rule is redundant, and mainly just serves to increase penalties, and virtue signal.

I think the main problem with the rules is not the quantity, but clarity and enforcement.

So to increase clarity I would recommend changing the Hateful Comments rule to this:

Hateful Comments

Using hateful language with the intent to degrade, discriminate against, or humiliate another person.

Since we are all human, everyone is covered by this rule, and equally protected.

People shouldn't be banned only based on the content of their messages.

But instead also take into account the intent and the context of their messages.

Because I can say the same exact words with completely different meaning in different contexts. Like saying "I killed him." when playing a video game, verses saying "I killed him." after being asked if you committed a murder.


Now I have a perfect example of this:

Recently JM123 managed to receive the very first Racial Slurs Vio.

JM123 wrote: >half of the site will get banned my n'igga

But fortunately our hero BSM sprinted to the occasion and reported this heinous offender.

https://epicmafia.com/report/258927

Result: JM123 received Racial Slurs 1st - Warning

So what went wrong?

Lets first look at the context: JM123 was voicing his disagreement with the creation of a controversial policy. https://epicmafia.com/topic/91047?page=3&post_highlight=3131016

Now lets look at the intent: JM123 wished to express his view, that the enforcement of such a policy would result in many players being banned.

Finally lets look at the content: >half of the site will get banned my n'igga

Obviously the controversial word is n'igga, however I would argue that JM123 has not violated the Racial Slurs rules which is defined as: "Malicious use of slurs against players that are based on race"

While some people may consider n'igga to be a slur, JM123 did not use it maliciously against other players, or people to demean them.

In fact it is often used even till this day as a term of endearment between friends.

So the main issue in this occasion is the interpretation and enforcement of the Racial Slurs rule.

The result of this will be a chilling effect on freespeech, as I might be vio'd for simply discussing this topic right here and now.

Even though my intent is not to demean or be racist towards any person, but rather to allow people to joke and speak freely and only be punished when they are truly being hateful.

The letter of the law does not line up with interpretation of it.

Currently as it stands the real definition of Racial Slurs is

Racial Slurs:

Using n'igga or n-word no matter what your intent is.

This I believe is a very poor way to address things as heavy handed censorship doesn't actually protect the vulnerable, but simply stifles conversation and an open exchange of ideas.

TLDR:

- People should only be vio'd based on the intent and context of their messages.

- Bullies should be targeted not simply people who disagree with you.


Jeff: 'People outside of communities can stop virtue signaling their offense for the people within them. It’s a tired and gross practice to be offended for others who are not. It serves the purpose of trying to be holier than thou and is an ugly way to defend your point.'

Volta's Slur Whitelist: https://epicmafia.com/topic/91071?page=2

Check my story, The Peoples Village https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Q2yeMDXdG69ngAz3gw_0HWQoXNGPf479EW4BD369alY/edit?usp=sharing

Sources:

Songin New Rule Suggestion: https://epicmafia.com/topic/91047?page=3&post_highlight=3131016

Giga13 Response: https://epicmafia.com/topic/91060

BSM's Report: https://epicmafia.com/report/258927

BSM's Speech Code: https://pastebin.com/Z6B0hbJn (Adopted by Admin into censoring words)

https://epicmafia.com/lobby/rules

Should the intent and context of a message be taken into account before handing out a violation?
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about 6 years
sed on the content of their messages.

But instead also take into account the intent and the context of their messages.

Because I can say the same exact words with completely different meaning in different contexts. Like saying "I killed him." when playing a video game, verses saying "I killed him." after being asked if you committed a murder.

Now I have a perfect example of this:

Recently JM123 managed to receive the very first Racial Slurs Vio.

JM123 wrote: >half of the site will get b
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It's sad that we can't just grow up and not implement blanket bans on speech/thought.

You're not even interfering with the actual racists on this site. You're making it harder for people that don't conform to your sense of thought to exist on this site as they are.
about 6 years

Bebop says

jon wont let me on the team :(


are you sure you'd want to be on it =)
about 6 years

pingu says

thank the lord bsm isn't on the team right now i guess, he'd have a field day


:-)
about 6 years
jon wont let me on the team :(
about 6 years
thank the lord bsm isn't on the team right now i guess, he'd have a field day
about 6 years

pingu says


Kawaii says

or at least tried to.. but now theyve added a racial slurs violation which is stupid


olol wth is this racial slurs violation


lucid saw that one troll thread "Racist Moderators" and shit himself
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Kawaii says

or at least tried to.. but now theyve added a racial slurs violation which is stupid


olol wth is this racial slurs violation
about 6 years

D3xTr0m3th0rph4n says


Hibiki says

the first mod that saw this shouldve deleted the post and instantly given d3x a HC vio for this. is this where we’re at? deleting slurs but letting slur-free HC go untouched? what a failure of a team


You are what we would call "undesirable", go away. Kerry too.


coming from the dude who hit on basically every girl on the site and only got a go ahead from ivana, glass houses.
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Hibiki says

what a failure of a team

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So this is still going on even nowadays huh. Alright then.
about 6 years

Soluciones says

i agree. ban jm123


after all these years, this man still sounds lowkey insane
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i agree. ban jm123
about 6 years
it's pretty funny to watch so many people investing so much time and energy discussing the same things over and over again till the point of overthinking. flygon is a particular comedic character

i need more popcorn

www.instagram.com/josemorenofs
about 6 years
every single bad rule can be traced back to some jackass who ended up on the modteam and fked it up for everyone else
about 6 years

blacksnakemoan says

why would you require someone to admit to a bully that they felt bullied just to get a harassment report filed (-:

this site's a social experiment gone wrong


because idiotmods were abusing this back when minor harassment was a thing
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so many funnies
about 6 years
why would you require someone to admit to a bully that they felt bullied just to get a harassment report filed (-:

this site's a social experiment gone wrong
about 6 years
or at least tried to.. but now theyve added a racial slurs violation which is stupid

why on earth would you consider hc to be just slurs
about 6 years

blacksnakemoan says


Zhuorb says

it was never about HC, they let everyday racism slip by all the time
god forbid one ever use "the n word" in a very serious, non-racist manner


tbh i went after slurs bc easy target, and it was a stepping stone. but the mod team refused to let me give HC vios for non slur racism because "it strictly says slurs! you cant do it for other stuff!"


i corrected that opinion
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I swear anybody with a weeb avi are literally the same person.
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i think that the small number of instances where a slur would be used to be contextually acceptable, it should still be banned because its a word that probably shouldnt be said on a business platform
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love to see d3x thinking his opinion is valid or cared about
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blacksnakemoan says


Hibiki says

the first mod that saw this shouldve deleted the post and instantly given d3x a HC vio for this. is this where we’re at? deleting slurs but letting slur-free HC go untouched? what a failure of a team


In fairness, it wouldn't have happened at all if the mods had banned Gren yesterday for telling someone to kill themselves 4-5 times in one thread


valid

the main benefit from this is now theres categorical evidence d3x is a dumpster fire thats more than “hes obnxoious and creepy sometimes”
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blacksnakemoan says


Zhuorb says

it was never about HC, they let everyday racism slip by all the time
god forbid one ever use "the n word" in a very serious, non-racist manner


tbh i went after slurs bc easy target, and it was a stepping stone. but the mod team refused to let me give HC vios for non slur racism because "it strictly says slurs! you cant do it for other stuff!"


once again, fair, but you can't give HC vios for every use of the slur either. I do not agree with that view