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PoliticallyCorrectalmost 8 years ago

Now as some of you may know we now have a "new" rule that has just been implemented.

Racial Slurs

Malicious use of slurs against players that are based on race and/or ethnicity. We will show absolutely no tolerance towards racist and xenophobic ideals.

Expires in 6 months

1) Warning

2) Site Ban

Now as Giga13 has already noted. Racist remarks are already covered in the current Hateful Comments rule.

Hateful Comments

Any form of severe or excessive hate speech or hateful language based on race, sexual orientation, gender identity, religion, mental capabilities, and other personal circumstances.

Meaning the new rule is redundant, and mainly just serves to increase penalties, and virtue signal.

I think the main problem with the rules is not the quantity, but clarity and enforcement.

So to increase clarity I would recommend changing the Hateful Comments rule to this:

Hateful Comments

Using hateful language with the intent to degrade, discriminate against, or humiliate another person.

Since we are all human, everyone is covered by this rule, and equally protected.

People shouldn't be banned only based on the content of their messages.

But instead also take into account the intent and the context of their messages.

Because I can say the same exact words with completely different meaning in different contexts. Like saying "I killed him." when playing a video game, verses saying "I killed him." after being asked if you committed a murder.


Now I have a perfect example of this:

Recently JM123 managed to receive the very first Racial Slurs Vio.

JM123 wrote: >half of the site will get banned my n'igga

But fortunately our hero BSM sprinted to the occasion and reported this heinous offender.

https://epicmafia.com/report/258927

Result: JM123 received Racial Slurs 1st - Warning

So what went wrong?

Lets first look at the context: JM123 was voicing his disagreement with the creation of a controversial policy. https://epicmafia.com/topic/91047?page=3&post_highlight=3131016

Now lets look at the intent: JM123 wished to express his view, that the enforcement of such a policy would result in many players being banned.

Finally lets look at the content: >half of the site will get banned my n'igga

Obviously the controversial word is n'igga, however I would argue that JM123 has not violated the Racial Slurs rules which is defined as: "Malicious use of slurs against players that are based on race"

While some people may consider n'igga to be a slur, JM123 did not use it maliciously against other players, or people to demean them.

In fact it is often used even till this day as a term of endearment between friends.

So the main issue in this occasion is the interpretation and enforcement of the Racial Slurs rule.

The result of this will be a chilling effect on freespeech, as I might be vio'd for simply discussing this topic right here and now.

Even though my intent is not to demean or be racist towards any person, but rather to allow people to joke and speak freely and only be punished when they are truly being hateful.

The letter of the law does not line up with interpretation of it.

Currently as it stands the real definition of Racial Slurs is

Racial Slurs:

Using n'igga or n-word no matter what your intent is.

This I believe is a very poor way to address things as heavy handed censorship doesn't actually protect the vulnerable, but simply stifles conversation and an open exchange of ideas.

TLDR:

- People should only be vio'd based on the intent and context of their messages.

- Bullies should be targeted not simply people who disagree with you.


Jeff: 'People outside of communities can stop virtue signaling their offense for the people within them. It’s a tired and gross practice to be offended for others who are not. It serves the purpose of trying to be holier than thou and is an ugly way to defend your point.'

Volta's Slur Whitelist: https://epicmafia.com/topic/91071?page=2

Check my story, The Peoples Village https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Q2yeMDXdG69ngAz3gw_0HWQoXNGPf479EW4BD369alY/edit?usp=sharing

Sources:

Songin New Rule Suggestion: https://epicmafia.com/topic/91047?page=3&post_highlight=3131016

Giga13 Response: https://epicmafia.com/topic/91060

BSM's Report: https://epicmafia.com/report/258927

BSM's Speech Code: https://pastebin.com/Z6B0hbJn (Adopted by Admin into censoring words)

https://epicmafia.com/lobby/rules

Poll
Should the intent and context of a message be taken into account before handing out a violation?
Yes88%23
No7%2
I'm not sure3%1
D3xTr0m3th0rph4nalmost 8 years agoedited
Hibiki
the first mod that saw this shouldve deleted the post and instantly given d3x a HC vio for this. is this where we’re at? deleting slurs but letting slur-free HC go untouched? what a failure of a team
You are what we would call "undesirable", go away. Kerry too.
blacksnakemoanalmost 8 years ago
Zhuorb
it was never about HC, they let everyday racism slip by all the time
god forbid one ever use "the n word" in a very serious, non-racist manner
tbh i went after slurs bc easy target, and it was a stepping stone. but the mod team refused to let me give HC vios for non slur racism because "it strictly says slurs! you cant do it for other stuff!"
Zhuorbalmost 8 years ago
blacksnakemoan
Hibiki
the first mod that saw this shouldve deleted the post and instantly given d3x a HC vio for this. is this where we’re at? deleting slurs but letting slur-free HC go untouched? what a failure of a team
In fairness, it wouldn't have happened at all if the mods had banned Gren yesterday for telling someone to kill themselves 4-5 times in one thread
this is also correct
Zhuorbalmost 8 years ago
Hibiki
D3xTr0m3th0rph4n
Flygon
are we still calling me (someone with autism)
This explains EVERYTHING!
the first mod that saw this shouldve deleted the post and instantly given d3x a HC vio for this. is this where we’re at? deleting slurs but letting slur-free HC go untouched? what a failure of a team
it was never about HC, they let everyday racism slip by all the time
god forbid one ever use "the n word" in a very serious, non-racist manner
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blacksnakemoanalmost 8 years ago
I seem to remember you messaging me with advice on how to moderate a Gren-Jeff dispute which would have resulted in neither getting proper punishments, so uh go nuts
Voltaalmost 8 years agoedited
blacksnakemoan
Black isn't a race in the case of "black power/pride" because it's being used as shorthand for African American

Black in black power is not referring to the race, but the ethnic group African Americans.


So you're saying that everyone of black complexion who isn't both african and american is not allowed to join your pseudo-group? Sounds awfully racist, and the americans using blacks in their logo are stealing that right from africans, which is absolute cultural appropriation.
blacksnakemoanalmost 8 years ago
Hibiki
the first mod that saw this shouldve deleted the post and instantly given d3x a HC vio for this. is this where we’re at? deleting slurs but letting slur-free HC go untouched? what a failure of a team
In fairness, it wouldn't have happened at all if the mods had banned Gren yesterday for telling someone to kill themselves 4-5 times in one thread
Kawaiialmost 8 years ago
do you know what most reasonable sites have? zero tolerance
Kawaiialmost 8 years ago
what nonsense is this
Kawaiialmost 8 years ago
lol i can say the n-word once and r-word 3 times before getting banned bc the system is a mess
Hibikialmost 8 years agoedited
D3xTr0m3th0rph4n
Flygon
are we still calling me (someone with autism)
This explains EVERYTHING!
the first mod that saw this shouldve deleted the post and instantly given d3x a HC vio for this. is this where we’re at? deleting slurs but letting slur-free HC go untouched? what a failure of a team
blacksnakemoanalmost 8 years ago
PoliticallyCorrect
I don't really like to use wikipedia but I'll use it as a stand in for now.

This is a list of ethnic groups, it includes African Americans (USA, est 40 mil), Koreans, Irish, Germans.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_contemporary_ethnic_groups
That's what I said...

blacksnakemoan
Black isn't a race in the case of "black power/pride" because it's being used as shorthand for African American
Quote me properly or I'm not going to answer your questions

Black in black power is not referring to the race, but the ethnic group African Americans.
deleteddeletedalmost 8 years ago
lol
PoliticallyCorrectalmost 8 years agoedited
blacksnakemoan
PoliticallyCorrect
blacksnakemoan
Korean = not a race...
Puerto Rican = not a race ...
Black isn't a race ...
White IS a race, and isn't a specific group...
Black isn't a race, and White isn't a race.
Black is a race.

White is a race.
First you said Black isn't a race but now you say Black is a race.

Anyway that's not important since race seems to vauge a word because it's by apperance only.

Ethnic groups seem more accurate.

Do you think people from one Ethnic group can discriminate against another Ethnic group based on immutable characteristics such as their appearance?
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PoliticallyCorrectalmost 8 years ago
I don't really like to use wikipedia but I'll use it as a stand in for now.

This is a list of ethnic groups, it includes African Americans (USA, est 40 mil), Koreans, Irish, Germans.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_contemporary_ethnic_groups
deleteddeletedalmost 8 years ago
my ethnic group is white!
blacksnakemoanalmost 8 years ago
I thought I did that?

An ethnic group is a group with shared cultural origins. e.g. Jewish would be an ethnic identifier.

A race is a grouping used to classify people based on physical similarities, usually skin colour. I can't remember the original names but Caucasian was the one for whites, Arab was the one for Middle Eastern people.

Race is referred to as biology by people quite often but it's not. There's no biological markers for race and scientists don't recognise it as a scientific classification of humans.
PoliticallyCorrectalmost 8 years ago
BSM give me a dictionary definition of ethnic group, and race.
D3xTr0m3th0rph4nalmost 8 years ago
Dont shiiit the bed like Alex did
blacksnakemoanalmost 8 years ago
hm
Flygonalmost 8 years ago
D3xTr0m3th0rph4n
Flygon
are we still calling me (someone with autism)
This explains EVERYTHING!
fuckoff racist
SHENANIGANSalmost 8 years ago
D3xTr0m3th0rph4n
Flygon
are we still calling me (someone with autism)
This explains EVERYTHING!
wowzers
D3xTr0m3th0rph4nalmost 8 years ago
Flygon
are we still calling me (someone with autism)
This explains EVERYTHING!
blacksnakemoanalmost 8 years ago
PoliticallyCorrect
blacksnakemoan
Korean = not a race...
Puerto Rican = not a race ...
Black isn't a race ...
White IS a race, and isn't a specific group...
Black isn't a race, and White isn't a race.

Korean is a race. Puerto Rican is a race.

Race:
1. A group of people identified as distinct from other groups because of supposed physical or genetic traits shared by the group. Most biologists and anthropologists do not recognize race as a biologically valid classification, in part because there is more genetic variation within groups than between them.

https://www.thefreedictionary.com/race
Korean is an ethnic group.

Asian is a race.

Puerto Rican is an ethnic group.

Native American is a race.

Haitian is an ethnic group.

Black is a race.

Irish is an ethnic group.

White is a race.

When people last decided on races in the 19th century or some bs there were black, white, asian, arab, native american, and pacific.
PoliticallyCorrectalmost 8 years ago
I wouldn't call screenshotting a PM doxxing.

What I consider doxxing is exposing someones real name, phone number, place of work, school, family members, or address.

In hopes that something bad will befall them.

I don't know your guys story because I haven't been on in a while. lol