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about 6 years

Now as some of you may know we now have a "new" rule that has just been implemented.

Racial Slurs

Malicious use of slurs against players that are based on race and/or ethnicity. We will show absolutely no tolerance towards racist and xenophobic ideals.

Expires in 6 months

1) Warning

2) Site Ban

Now as Giga13 has already noted. Racist remarks are already covered in the current Hateful Comments rule.

Hateful Comments

Any form of severe or excessive hate speech or hateful language based on race, sexual orientation, gender identity, religion, mental capabilities, and other personal circumstances.

Meaning the new rule is redundant, and mainly just serves to increase penalties, and virtue signal.

I think the main problem with the rules is not the quantity, but clarity and enforcement.

So to increase clarity I would recommend changing the Hateful Comments rule to this:

Hateful Comments

Using hateful language with the intent to degrade, discriminate against, or humiliate another person.

Since we are all human, everyone is covered by this rule, and equally protected.

People shouldn't be banned only based on the content of their messages.

But instead also take into account the intent and the context of their messages.

Because I can say the same exact words with completely different meaning in different contexts. Like saying "I killed him." when playing a video game, verses saying "I killed him." after being asked if you committed a murder.


Now I have a perfect example of this:

Recently JM123 managed to receive the very first Racial Slurs Vio.

JM123 wrote: >half of the site will get banned my n'igga

But fortunately our hero BSM sprinted to the occasion and reported this heinous offender.

https://epicmafia.com/report/258927

Result: JM123 received Racial Slurs 1st - Warning

So what went wrong?

Lets first look at the context: JM123 was voicing his disagreement with the creation of a controversial policy. https://epicmafia.com/topic/91047?page=3&post_highlight=3131016

Now lets look at the intent: JM123 wished to express his view, that the enforcement of such a policy would result in many players being banned.

Finally lets look at the content: >half of the site will get banned my n'igga

Obviously the controversial word is n'igga, however I would argue that JM123 has not violated the Racial Slurs rules which is defined as: "Malicious use of slurs against players that are based on race"

While some people may consider n'igga to be a slur, JM123 did not use it maliciously against other players, or people to demean them.

In fact it is often used even till this day as a term of endearment between friends.

So the main issue in this occasion is the interpretation and enforcement of the Racial Slurs rule.

The result of this will be a chilling effect on freespeech, as I might be vio'd for simply discussing this topic right here and now.

Even though my intent is not to demean or be racist towards any person, but rather to allow people to joke and speak freely and only be punished when they are truly being hateful.

The letter of the law does not line up with interpretation of it.

Currently as it stands the real definition of Racial Slurs is

Racial Slurs:

Using n'igga or n-word no matter what your intent is.

This I believe is a very poor way to address things as heavy handed censorship doesn't actually protect the vulnerable, but simply stifles conversation and an open exchange of ideas.

TLDR:

- People should only be vio'd based on the intent and context of their messages.

- Bullies should be targeted not simply people who disagree with you.


Jeff: 'People outside of communities can stop virtue signaling their offense for the people within them. It’s a tired and gross practice to be offended for others who are not. It serves the purpose of trying to be holier than thou and is an ugly way to defend your point.'

Volta's Slur Whitelist: https://epicmafia.com/topic/91071?page=2

Check my story, The Peoples Village https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Q2yeMDXdG69ngAz3gw_0HWQoXNGPf479EW4BD369alY/edit?usp=sharing

Sources:

Songin New Rule Suggestion: https://epicmafia.com/topic/91047?page=3&post_highlight=3131016

Giga13 Response: https://epicmafia.com/topic/91060

BSM's Report: https://epicmafia.com/report/258927

BSM's Speech Code: https://pastebin.com/Z6B0hbJn (Adopted by Admin into censoring words)

https://epicmafia.com/lobby/rules

Should the intent and context of a message be taken into account before handing out a violation?
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Yes
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No
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I'm not sure
about 6 years

Hibiki says

the first mod that saw this shouldve deleted the post and instantly given d3x a HC vio for this. is this where we’re at? deleting slurs but letting slur-free HC go untouched? what a failure of a team


You are what we would call "undesirable", go away. Kerry too.
about 6 years

Zhuorb says

it was never about HC, they let everyday racism slip by all the time
god forbid one ever use "the n word" in a very serious, non-racist manner


tbh i went after slurs bc easy target, and it was a stepping stone. but the mod team refused to let me give HC vios for non slur racism because "it strictly says slurs! you cant do it for other stuff!"
about 6 years

blacksnakemoan says


Hibiki says

the first mod that saw this shouldve deleted the post and instantly given d3x a HC vio for this. is this where we’re at? deleting slurs but letting slur-free HC go untouched? what a failure of a team


In fairness, it wouldn't have happened at all if the mods had banned Gren yesterday for telling someone to kill themselves 4-5 times in one thread


this is also correct
about 6 years

Hibiki says


D3xTr0m3th0rph4n says


Flygon says

are we still calling me (someone with autism)


This explains EVERYTHING!


the first mod that saw this shouldve deleted the post and instantly given d3x a HC vio for this. is this where we’re at? deleting slurs but letting slur-free HC go untouched? what a failure of a team


it was never about HC, they let everyday racism slip by all the time
god forbid one ever use "the n word" in a very serious, non-racist manner
about 6 years
I seem to remember you messaging me with advice on how to moderate a Gren-Jeff dispute which would have resulted in neither getting proper punishments, so uh go nuts
about 6 years

blacksnakemoan says

Black isn't a race in the case of "black power/pride" because it's being used as shorthand for African American

Black in black power is not referring to the race, but the ethnic group African Americans.




So you're saying that everyone of black complexion who isn't both african and american is not allowed to join your pseudo-group? Sounds awfully racist, and the americans using blacks in their logo are stealing that right from africans, which is absolute cultural appropriation.
about 6 years

Hibiki says

the first mod that saw this shouldve deleted the post and instantly given d3x a HC vio for this. is this where we’re at? deleting slurs but letting slur-free HC go untouched? what a failure of a team


In fairness, it wouldn't have happened at all if the mods had banned Gren yesterday for telling someone to kill themselves 4-5 times in one thread
about 6 years
do you know what most reasonable sites have? zero tolerance
about 6 years
what nonsense is this
about 6 years
lol i can say the n-word once and r-word 3 times before getting banned bc the system is a mess
about 6 years

D3xTr0m3th0rph4n says


Flygon says

are we still calling me (someone with autism)


This explains EVERYTHING!


the first mod that saw this shouldve deleted the post and instantly given d3x a HC vio for this. is this where we’re at? deleting slurs but letting slur-free HC go untouched? what a failure of a team
about 6 years

PoliticallyCorrect says

I don't really like to use wikipedia but I'll use it as a stand in for now.

This is a list of ethnic groups, it includes African Americans (USA, est 40 mil), Koreans, Irish, Germans.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_contemporary_ethnic_groups


That's what I said...


blacksnakemoan says

Black isn't a race in the case of "black power/pride" because it's being used as shorthand for African American


Quote me properly or I'm not going to answer your questions

Black in black power is not referring to the race, but the ethnic group African Americans.
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lol
about 6 years

blacksnakemoan says




PoliticallyCorrect says




blacksnakemoan says


Korean = not a race...
Puerto Rican = not a race ...
Black isn't a race ...
White IS a race, and isn't a specific group...


Black isn't a race, and White isn't a race.


Black is a race.

White is a race.



First you said Black isn't a race but now you say Black is a race.

Anyway that's not important since race seems to vauge a word because it's by apperance only.

Ethnic groups seem more accurate.

Do you think people from one Ethnic group can discriminate against another Ethnic group based on immutable characteristics such as their appearance?
about 6 years
I don't really like to use wikipedia but I'll use it as a stand in for now.

This is a list of ethnic groups, it includes African Americans (USA, est 40 mil), Koreans, Irish, Germans.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_contemporary_ethnic_groups
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my ethnic group is white!
about 6 years
I thought I did that?

An ethnic group is a group with shared cultural origins. e.g. Jewish would be an ethnic identifier.

A race is a grouping used to classify people based on physical similarities, usually skin colour. I can't remember the original names but Caucasian was the one for whites, Arab was the one for Middle Eastern people.

Race is referred to as biology by people quite often but it's not. There's no biological markers for race and scientists don't recognise it as a scientific classification of humans.
about 6 years
BSM give me a dictionary definition of ethnic group, and race.
about 6 years
Dont shiiit the bed like Alex did
about 6 years
hm
about 6 years

D3xTr0m3th0rph4n says


Flygon says

are we still calling me (someone with autism)


This explains EVERYTHING!


fuckoff racist
about 6 years

D3xTr0m3th0rph4n says


Flygon says

are we still calling me (someone with autism)


This explains EVERYTHING!


wowzers
about 6 years

Flygon says

are we still calling me (someone with autism)


This explains EVERYTHING!
about 6 years

PoliticallyCorrect says


blacksnakemoan says


Korean = not a race...
Puerto Rican = not a race ...
Black isn't a race ...
White IS a race, and isn't a specific group...


Black isn't a race, and White isn't a race.

Korean is a race. Puerto Rican is a race.

Race:
1. A group of people identified as distinct from other groups because of supposed physical or genetic traits shared by the group. Most biologists and anthropologists do not recognize race as a biologically valid classification, in part because there is more genetic variation within groups than between them.

https://www.thefreedictionary.com/race


Korean is an ethnic group.

Asian is a race.

Puerto Rican is an ethnic group.

Native American is a race.

Haitian is an ethnic group.

Black is a race.

Irish is an ethnic group.

White is a race.

When people last decided on races in the 19th century or some bs there were black, white, asian, arab, native american, and pacific.
about 6 years
I wouldn't call screenshotting a PM doxxing.

What I consider doxxing is exposing someones real name, phone number, place of work, school, family members, or address.

In hopes that something bad will befall them.

I don't know your guys story because I haven't been on in a while. lol