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Did I throw game?

Memoji
over 6 years

Guys,

I'd like to bring out this game and collect your opinions with the subject perspective.

Please help me review this game, with turn on the vote log & time span https://epicmafia.com/game/6673648/review

Downvote if you think I did throw game

Upvote if you think I did not.

Leave comment if you have any opinions.

Long story short: I got a GT vio for this game and mod suspend my trophy.

Mori sent private message to various mods and blacksnakemoan report and self vio it https://epicmafia.com/report/253996

Then I appealed the report: https://epicmafia.com/report/254000

The relate report here: https://epicmafia.com/report/254002

GrannyPixel was blacksmith in this game, who admits this is not a GT. She was in game so she knows what exactly happened.

The final result from mod team is Sustained.

Mori sent PM to mods with her opinion that I used Phoenixi as a GT acc to make her lose while she was #20 and Memoji was about #6

In statistic of Mori:

Here is the proof about my screen buggy

With MisterPresident's spamming votes and drop-line vote due to long name, I mishammerred on hooker

I need to hear more opinions. Thanks,

Phoenixo – Memoji

MisterPresident
over 6 years
You are such a racism mod
Memoji
over 6 years

blacksnakemoan says


GameThroweador says

And I believe the reaction to this thread is pretty vocal on who the community think is right here.


Given a large part of the community thinks that not claiming your role immediately is GTing, I'm sure they do.


Imagine judging someone is a gamethrow account with his name in 2018. You are such a racism mod.
GameThroweador has no vio in list.
blacksnakemoan
over 6 years

GameThroweador says

And I believe the reaction to this thread is pretty vocal on who the community think is right here.


Given a large part of the community thinks that not claiming your role immediately is GTing, I'm sure they do.
Memoji
over 6 years

denial says

mori followed this by saying that she believes he was aware, because he mentioned she was a 'beast' or something along the lines because of the games she was winning


I did not say Mori was a 'beast', this is lie. Please give me the proof about this!
GameThroweador
over 6 years
OK. I will contact all players of the game and ask if they have been contacted by mods about the game. I'll see how many, if any, respond to me positively.

If not, then that "witness" could have easily be "encouraged" to "testify" by the same "runner" who contacted you instead of reporting as he/she/it should have.

Even if that witness has no link to Mori, it's still a he said/she said situation. And I believe the reaction to this thread is pretty vocal on who the community think is right here.
blacksnakemoan
over 6 years

Mori says


Mori says

Next mod conspiracy: Mods are corruptly helping Sammie trophy, she starts off with 5 more hearts than the rest of the players on her account "MachiKyouko"


CaRE tO eXplAiN cLoWn MoDs????


we'll cop to that

#SammyGoldin740
blacksnakemoan
over 6 years
By the way, before you start mouthing off about whether something is GTing, I'd go look at reports by you and every other person who's commented in here and see how many of you file GT reports for people who just do something badly, like forgetting to claim gunsmith in GnH.
blacksnakemoan
over 6 years

GameThroweador says

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Denial isn't moving goalposts. He's saying he didn't assume there was a pause because we know there was a pause.

How do we know? Someone came forward and told us. We trust them.

In the message you quoted Denial said

"that isn't true because there was a pause between the voting and the hammer (no, the message thecourier said wasn't the determination that there was a pause)"

I'm guessing you're taking issue with the way he phrased that. He's saying that it's not true that Phoenix misclicked because of the vote spam, because there was a pause.

I don't know what the winrate argument is. I finished 23rd on the board with a positive winrate, as did everyone above me except for GrannyPixel. That doesn't mean he's not playing carelessly.

By the way, we didn't disqualify him for cheating or throwing against runners through the round. We disqualified him for having two game violations in one round, both of them GTing. It was a coincidence that it happened on the last day.

I wasn't a mod in 2017, so I don't know what that situation is. As far as I know, none of the current mods are friends with Mori or have anything against Memoji. There's no reason for any of us to be swayed either way. The decision wasn't made by one mod.
GameThroweador
over 6 years
You don't make sense Mori. If the proof is "definite" then everyone who sees it would agree on the issue. If not, it would not be "definite".

In any case, we are getting to the bottom of this.
Mori
over 6 years
Even more so when it's about gamethrow, which is not so easy to analyze. It's a violation not every moderator who has ever moderated understands.
As an extreme example, I've yelled at Gerry several times when he was a mod for ruling something gamethrowing when it was just extremely poor play.
This was not extremely bad play. This was someone who premeditatedly decided to hammer his own hooker out of autowin.
Mori
over 6 years
There's different ways of modding, some mods don't believe in being strict and some do. You can't count on something as being unreal simply because two mods don't agree.
Mori
over 6 years

GameThroweador says

I should add here that if there was undeniable proof that there was a pause and therefore a gamethrow, and that us feeble mortals cannot see, Shoopie and JonSnow would be arguing for a vio here. Yet they aren't.


You realize that in cases where there was definite proof of something being a certain way, mods still have had different opinions, right? Particularly since some mods are more lenient than others and I don't know Shoopie, but JonSnow is a person with a good heart who tries to see the best in people.
GameThroweador
over 6 years
I should add here that if there was undeniable proof that there was a pause and therefore a gamethrow, and that us feeble mortals cannot see, Shoopie and JonSnow would be arguing for a vio here. Yet they aren't.
GameThroweador
over 6 years
No issue denial, i just want to have a clear explanation, but BSM took over it seems. You can take your leave.

With that being said, your word isn't enough for this. We need proof of there being a sufficient "pause".

Using little brainpower I have, I can foresee three types of "proof" you can pull out of whatever hat you have :
- An actual magical power, or a mod specific functionality (lel)
- Testimony from one of the other 7 players (but why would that person not comment in report or speak in graveyard? we can always confirm with players if they have been contacted by mods...my guess is most will say "no")
- You actually don't have anything and this loops back to Mori contacting BSM directly instead of reporting. (my money's here)
denial
over 6 years
what do you want me to clarify? pause is established, hence he gets a vio

its not a "I cant really tell if theres a pause... im gonna just assume there was and give him a vio"

isn't this what you're complaining about? that you think im assuming there was a pause without anything to back it?

anyways, i'm done. my mod shift is only Monday-Fridays. all epicmafia related items will have to wait until the next business day, sorry for any inconveniences
GameThroweador
over 6 years

blacksnakemoan says

We know there was a pause. We're not outting our source for obvious reasons. Mori's already copped enough crap in this thread, we're not landing someone else in it too.

Phoenixi's play differs in that he doesn't give a fùck on that account. He showed that with his first vio in the round: https://epicmafia.com/report/253532

In that one he instantly grudge votes a town player and GTs by starting the BW on them.


(still waiting on denial btw. You're allowed to move goalposts and find another reason.)

BSM, i don't understand. As Patryk pointed out, Phoenixi ended the round with a positive winrate overall on his secondary alt. Is this what you call "not giving a f***"? Are we supposed to ban all previous players who trophied if their winrate across all alts aren't the same? This would roughly DQ 75% of all trophies in epicmafia history.

Also, is this the moment where you ACTUALLY go full meme and say you have magical powers and can prove your sole argument but can't "out sources"? lmfao. What is this, meg's ban in 2017?
Mori
over 6 years

Mori says

Next mod conspiracy: Mods are corruptly helping Sammie trophy, she starts off with 5 more hearts than the rest of the players on her account "MachiKyouko"


CaRE tO eXplAiN cLoWn MoDs????
Mori
over 6 years
Next mod conspiracy: Mods are corruptly helping Sammie trophy, she starts off with 5 more hearts than the rest of the players on her account "MachiKyouko"
blacksnakemoan
over 6 years
We know there was a pause. We're not outting our source for obvious reasons. Mori's already copped enough crap in this thread, we're not landing someone else in it too.

Phoenixi's play differs in that he doesn't give a fùck on that account. He showed that with his first vio in the round: https://epicmafia.com/report/253532

In that one he instantly grudge votes a town player and GTs by starting the BW on them.
GameThroweador
over 6 years
Your last post :

denial says

I'll dumb this down. I'm not assuming there was a pause.



One page beforehand :

denial says

reasons for a violation: he hammered hooker/mafia instead of taking autowin when given the option

he explains that he misclicked because of misterpresidents voting pattern

that isn't true because there was a pause between the voting and the hammer (no, the message thecourier said wasn't the determination that there was a pause)


thats enough for a violation to me


I have everything i need.
denial
over 6 years

GameThroweador says

You said "so now its just whether there was a pause or not"

But everyone agrees that theres no way to find out.
And you're arguing it was a throw.

So one of the two :
- You have magical powers and know for sure there is a pause, but can't share with us the proof.
- You are guessing there's a pause. But why would one guess there's a pause, if not to incriminate phoe?

So yes, from a logical perspective, it's obvious the "memoji threw" part comes before the "there was a pause" in your reasoning.

Therefore making it circular reasoning.

I'll dumb it down harder : when you saw the timestamp, why did "there was a pause" win vs "there wasnt" in your mind?


I'll dumb this down. I'm not assuming there was a pause.

Also lol. My first thought wasn't "there was a pause" vs "there wasn't a pause" My first thought was "was there a pause??"

Also logical thinking would be you thinking "ok so how does he know there was a pause when I dont" since I keep insisting there was. You just choose to ramble about how you THINK I'm making the assumption there was a pause because I thought he threw.

Like yikes dude
You're sitting here complaining about how you think I'm making assumptions in order to win this argument and then in the same post made several assumptions that were wrong in order to try to argue I'm using a fallacy


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this is gonna be comedy gold
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PatrykSzczescie says


Ally says

We've discussed this game in the modchat, and have come to the agreement that your playstyle this account is visibly different to that of your main. We've agreed that this violation should stand, and consequently you will remain suspended from the round.


Give us specifics!

PatrykSzczescie
over 6 years

Ally says

We've discussed this game in the modchat, and have come to the agreement that your playstyle this account is visibly different to that of your main. We've agreed that this violation should stand, and consequently you will remain suspended from the round.


Give us specifics!
GameThroweador
over 6 years
You said "so now its just whether there was a pause or not"

But everyone agrees that theres no way to find out.
And you're arguing it was a throw.

So one of the two :
- You have magical powers and know for sure there is a pause, but can't share with us the proof.
- You are guessing there's a pause. But why would one guess there's a pause, if not to incriminate phoe?

So yes, from a logical perspective, it's obvious the "memoji threw" part comes before the "there was a pause" in your reasoning.

Therefore making it circular reasoning.

I'll dumb it down harder : when you saw the timestamp, why did "there was a pause" win vs "there wasnt" in your mind?