Epicmafia

Manhunt rules

over 6 years

Anyone not in the game (including mods) is not allowed to tell you how to play this setup. If you think a certain action is playing towards your win condition, you have every right to take that action. However, there are certain situations where you must follow follow some rules. Asking people to read this thread during the game is NOT OGI.

If you have to choose between two options in the game and those options will lead to 1) certain loss or 2) even a 0.000001% chance to win, you must do #2. It is gamethrowing to do #1. Example scenarios are below:

For the purposes of this guide, SCUM = Spy/Stalker/Killer

1: You are Hunter/Agent/Vigilante/Jailer in a 3-way with Killer & Spy/Stalker:

Voting anything other than "no lynch" IS GT.
If you are Jailer, and you no lynch, jailing either of them IS GT.
If you are Vigilante, and you no lynch, shooting at night is NOT GT. If killer kills mafia and mafia no kills, you can only win by shooting killer.

2: You are Hunter/Agent/Vigilante/Jailer in a 4-way with Killer and Spy/Stalker:

If Vigilante and one other town are alive, and the town thinks that scum does not know who the vig is, then lynching mafia is NOT GT.
If Vigilante is not alive or if scum knows the vigilante, then voting anything other than "no lynch" IS GT.
If you no lynch, and you are Vigilante, then shooting at night is NOT GT.
If you NL, and you are Jailer, and Vigilante is known by scum or is dead, then jailing anyone IS GT.

3: 5-way with 2 scum alive:

Lynching known hunter IS GT.
If you know a scum, then no lynching IS GT, because you can lynch one scum that day and another tomorrow instead of going into 4- or 3- way with 2 scum.
If you lynch on a 5 way, then shooting as Vig is NOT GT.
If you NL, then jailing or jailkilling is NOT GT.
If you are lynched as Hunter, Vig is dead or known to scum, and killer/a mafia role are alive, then shooting as hunter IS GT.

4: If you are scum in a 3-way involving Killer, Mafia, Town:

Lynching Hunter is NOT GT. But it is against the win condition of the Hunter to lynch. Therefore, the Hunter will propose to NL, otherwise they will shoot you. This puts you at a greater risk. You can then make a pact with the other scum and NL and kill the Hunter at night. It is NOT GT to betray or to not betray even though you get a higher payout if you betray and kill the other scum. It is a choice you can make to maximize your payout over several games by setting up your meta that you do not betray.
Lynching the other scum is NOT GT if the town is voting with you.

I've likely missed some stuff, so mods please comment any other scenarios with rules to be enforced and I can add them. There are many other scenarios where some actions are suboptimal, but they are subjective to the situation, so we cannot pre define rules for them.

PatrykSzczescie

over 6 years

BeepBeepLettuce says

https://epicmafia.com/game/6625890/review autoloss except if both sides defected each other

https://epicmafia.com/game/6625883/review autoloss

https://epicmafia.com/game/6625468/review autoloss except if jailed mafia

https://epicmafia.com/game/6625294/review autoloss once I got lynched

https://epicmafia.com/game/6625287/review autoloss except if jailed mafia

https://epicmafia.com/game/6625282/review autoloss for me because if I cced jailer, they jailkill me. if I cced hunter, it is lynch and shoot, and if I cc vig they kill me

https://epicmafia.com/game/6625260/review inconveniently I killed same person as mafia and it was autoloss for me n3 unless both sides defected

https://epicmafia.com/game/6625253/review would have been autowin if they lynched mafia day 2, but it was made into autoloss unless if both sides defected

https://epicmafia.com/game/6624459/review autoloss after I was jailkilled unless if both sides defected

THIS SETUP IS EVIL

What's the difference between losing a game and autoloss?

ICouldBeYourHusband

over 6 years

Is it GT if hunter is afk and bw then he comes back and self hammers before town switches, and even then Hammers

blacksnakemoan

over 6 years

kooler says

Is it GT if you're in a 4-way with maf and killer, town and vig, and the maf decides to hit hunter instead of vig, allowing vig to still kill that night?

In this scenario, scum knows who vig is.

arid says

blacksnakemoan says

Can you link the game

https://epicmafia.com/game/6624466/review this is the game

Not GT, he had a chance to win if vig killed killer. You betrayed him anyway, so that's all fine.

BeepBeepLettuce

over 6 years

Blister says

manhunt "rules" ? more like manhunt .... drools

good joke, but 10 years too late

BeepBeepLettuce

over 6 years

https://epicmafia.com/game/6625890/review autoloss except if both sides defected each other

https://epicmafia.com/game/6625883/review autoloss

https://epicmafia.com/game/6625468/review autoloss except if jailed mafia

https://epicmafia.com/game/6625294/review autoloss once I got lynched

https://epicmafia.com/game/6625287/review autoloss except if jailed mafia

https://epicmafia.com/game/6625282/review autoloss for me because if I cced jailer, they jailkill me. if I cced hunter, it is lynch and shoot, and if I cc vig they kill me

https://epicmafia.com/game/6625260/review inconveniently I killed same person as mafia and it was autoloss for me n3 unless both sides defected

https://epicmafia.com/game/6625253/review would have been autowin if they lynched mafia day 2, but it was made into autoloss unless if both sides defected

https://epicmafia.com/game/6624459/review autoloss after I was jailkilled unless if both sides defected

THIS SETUP IS EVIL

arid

over 6 years

blacksnakemoan says

Can you link the game

https://epicmafia.com/game/6624466/review this is the game

Blister

over 6 years

manhunt "rules" ? more like manhunt .... drools

Blister

over 6 years

THIS SETUP IS SO BAD

PatrykSzczescie

over 6 years

I'm still positive that points 2.2, 2.4, 3.5 are flawed about the case when vigilante is alive, despite being known, as long as you may have mafia reads.

deletedover 6 years

it would depend on their intent tbh like if they had intent to win the game and made a risky choice that failed they weren't tossing

grifiest

over 6 years

I think its not gt if stalker didnt know who vig is. but even tho they know vig, it should be fall under suboptimal and bad wifom play

blacksnakemoan

over 6 years

matt says

Maf should hit vig if they are jointing killer but i don't think it would be gt to let them attempt to kill killer.

this is why i asked for a game link. mafia can solo win if vig hits killer, so it's not GTing for them to not kill vig.

deletedover 6 years

kooler says

Is it GT if you're in a 4-way with maf and killer, town and vig, and the maf decides to hit hunter instead of vig, allowing vig to still kill that night?

In this scenario, scum knows who vig is.

i wouldn't say it's gt, it would depend

in certain circumstances i'll go for the hunter if i think vig is going to shoot them because then they both die

i think in that case it would just be stupid not to go for the vig though. and if they know you're scum and you're intentionally trying to get killed then ya it'd be gt but it's dependent on the game tbh

matt

over 6 years

Maf should hit vig if they are jointing killer but i don't think it would be gt to let them attempt to kill killer.

blacksnakemoan

over 6 years

Can you link the game

kooler

over 6 years

Is it GT if you're in a 4-way with maf and killer, town and vig, and the maf decides to hit hunter instead of vig, allowing vig to still kill that night?

In this scenario, scum knows who vig is.

Hottie

over 6 years

https://epicmafia.com/game/6624001/review bad play

ivana

over 6 years

King95 says

I don't know if it was discussed before but isn't shooting n1 as vig and putting town into terrible situation trolling? I mean the probability of vig to be succesful is 3/8,under 50 %..

That wouldn't be considered trolling, that's just a bad play.

King95

over 6 years

Like they can get any legit read from a day where town nl's instantly,smh. The only noteworthy thing that could happen d1 is killerslip and havent seen anyone doing that recently.

deletedover 6 years

King95 says

Is that your opinion or mod team decided that before?

Mod team.

denial

over 6 years

King95 says

Is that your opinion or mod team decided that before?

its a day start setup so vig can act on any reads they may have, so i don't see a problem with vig shooting

WALUlGl

over 6 years

it's a day start setup so it's probably not trolling to shoot night 1

King95

over 6 years

Is that your opinion or mod team decided that before?

deletedover 6 years

King95 says

I don't know if it was discussed before but isn't shooting n1 as vig and putting town into terrible situation trolling? I mean the probability of vig to be succesful is 3/8,under 50 %..

No.

King95

over 6 years

I don't know if it was discussed before but isn't shooting n1 as vig and putting town into terrible situation trolling? I mean the probability of vig to be succesful is 3/8,under 50 %..