Anyone not in the game (including mods) is not allowed to tell you how to play this setup. If you think a certain action is playing towards your win condition, you have every right to take that action. However, there are certain situations where you must follow follow some rules. Asking people to read this thread during the game is NOT OGI.
If you have to choose between two options in the game and those options will lead to 1) certain loss or 2) even a 0.000001% chance to win, you must do #2. It is gamethrowing to do #1. Example scenarios are below:
For the purposes of this guide, SCUM = Spy/Stalker/Killer
1: You are Hunter/Agent/Vigilante/Jailer in a 3-way with Killer & Spy/Stalker:
Voting anything other than "no lynch" IS GT.
If you are Jailer, and you no lynch, jailing either of them IS GT.
If you are Vigilante, and you no lynch, shooting at night is NOT GT. If killer kills mafia and mafia no kills, you can only win by shooting killer.
2: You are Hunter/Agent/Vigilante/Jailer in a 4-way with Killer and Spy/Stalker:
If Vigilante and one other town are alive, and the town thinks that scum does not know who the vig is, then lynching mafia is NOT GT.
If Vigilante is not alive or if scum knows the vigilante, then voting anything other than "no lynch" IS GT.
If you no lynch, and you are Vigilante, then shooting at night is NOT GT.
If you NL, and you are Jailer, and Vigilante is known by scum or is dead, then jailing anyone IS GT.
3: 5-way with 2 scum alive:
Lynching known hunter IS GT.
If you know a scum, then no lynching IS GT, because you can lynch one scum that day and another tomorrow instead of going into 4- or 3- way with 2 scum.
If you lynch on a 5 way, then shooting as Vig is NOT GT.
If you NL, then jailing or jailkilling is NOT GT.
If you are lynched as Hunter, Vig is dead or known to scum, and killer/a mafia role are alive, then shooting as hunter IS GT.
4: If you are scum in a 3-way involving Killer, Mafia, Town:
Lynching Hunter is NOT GT. But it is against the win condition of the Hunter to lynch. Therefore, the Hunter will propose to NL, otherwise they will shoot you. This puts you at a greater risk. You can then make a pact with the other scum and NL and kill the Hunter at night. It is NOT GT to betray or to not betray even though you get a higher payout if you betray and kill the other scum. It is a choice you can make to maximize your payout over several games by setting up your meta that you do not betray.
Lynching the other scum is NOT GT if the town is voting with you.
I've likely missed some stuff, so mods please comment any other scenarios with rules to be enforced and I can add them. There are many other scenarios where some actions are suboptimal, but they are subjective to the situation, so we cannot pre define rules for them.
why do you idiots argue about the things that are not gt and strategy based? and you don't need to argue about the absolutes. Those are black and white.
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if town agrees that you need to drink target x and you drink y instead, you would get a gt vio. jailing the wrong target here should be gt too, as if you did not kill me, everyone would not believe that i was jailed and would have cleared mafia. this at minimum should be isp, but this would have been gt with a drunk and should be here (at least a note)
You don't need to read a thread to realize that jailkilling there would lower the chance of townwin since it would be optimal to let hunters decide it among themselves. Also see how keeping jail target alive would give town autowin. Well you might not have done it intentionally (because earlier this round i saw you not being jerk by giving both killer and spy win as town) but fact is your terrible move caused town to lose. So i believe you at least deserve a warning here but if there is a runner in that game,as a mod i'd definitely refund the game.
I READ THE LITERAL THREAD WE ARE POSTING IN RN DURING THE NIGHT AND NOTHING HERE SAID I COULDN'T I LEGITIMATELY COVERED MY BASES AND READ HERE TO BE SURE I WAS OK IN KILLING
THIS THREAD SAYS:
2: You are Hunter/Agent/Vigilante/Jailer in a 4-way with Killer and Spy/Stalker: If Vigilante and one other town are alive, and the town thinks that scum does not know who the vig is, then lynching mafia is NOT GT. If Vigilante is not alive or if scum knows the vigilante, then voting anything other than "no lynch" IS GT. If you no lynch, and you are Vigilante, then shooting at night is NOT GT. If you NL, and you are Jailer, and Vigilante is known by scum or is dead, then jailing anyone IS GT.
Nowhere in there is there anything about it being GT to jail kill in my situation.
