Back to Epicmafia

Manhunt rules

mandevian
over 6 years

Anyone not in the game (including mods) is not allowed to tell you how to play this setup. If you think a certain action is playing towards your win condition, you have every right to take that action. However, there are certain situations where you must follow follow some rules. Asking people to read this thread during the game is NOT OGI.

If you have to choose between two options in the game and those options will lead to 1) certain loss or 2) even a 0.000001% chance to win, you must do #2. It is gamethrowing to do #1. Example scenarios are below:

For the purposes of this guide, SCUM = Spy/Stalker/Killer

1: You are Hunter/Agent/Vigilante/Jailer in a 3-way with Killer & Spy/Stalker:

  • Voting anything other than "no lynch" IS GT.
  • If you are Jailer, and you no lynch, jailing either of them IS GT.
  • If you are Vigilante, and you no lynch, shooting at night is NOT GT. If killer kills mafia and mafia no kills, you can only win by shooting killer.

2: You are Hunter/Agent/Vigilante/Jailer in a 4-way with Killer and Spy/Stalker:

  • If Vigilante and one other town are alive, and the town thinks that scum does not know who the vig is, then lynching mafia is NOT GT.
  • If Vigilante is not alive or if scum knows the vigilante, then voting anything other than "no lynch" IS GT.
  • If you no lynch, and you are Vigilante, then shooting at night is NOT GT.
  • If you NL, and you are Jailer, and Vigilante is known by scum or is dead, then jailing anyone IS GT.

3: 5-way with 2 scum alive:

  • Lynching known hunter IS GT.
  • If you know a scum, then no lynching IS GT, because you can lynch one scum that day and another tomorrow instead of going into 4- or 3- way with 2 scum.
  • If you lynch on a 5 way, then shooting as Vig is NOT GT.
  • If you NL, then jailing or jailkilling is NOT GT.
  • If you are lynched as Hunter, Vig is dead or known to scum, and killer/a mafia role are alive, then shooting as hunter IS GT.

4: If you are scum in a 3-way involving Killer, Mafia, Town:

  • Lynching Hunter is NOT GT. But it is against the win condition of the Hunter to lynch. Therefore, the Hunter will propose to NL, otherwise they will shoot you. This puts you at a greater risk. You can then make a pact with the other scum and NL and kill the Hunter at night. It is NOT GT to betray or to not betray even though you get a higher payout if you betray and kill the other scum. It is a choice you can make to maximize your payout over several games by setting up your meta that you do not betray.
  • Lynching the other scum is NOT GT if the town is voting with you.

I've likely missed some stuff, so mods please comment any other scenarios with rules to be enforced and I can add them. There are many other scenarios where some actions are suboptimal, but they are subjective to the situation, so we cannot pre define rules for them.

deletedover 6 years
pranay you're that dude who will report the masons who nl when they outnumber mafia in reverse so they can recruit the last traitor
deletedover 6 years
why try to give random newbies pre-made esoteric logic circuits to deal with situations they've never been in?

let them figure out how it works on their own so they remember it
Hunt
over 6 years
Thanks. Can some mod please make a new thread combining what dave said with what i said.
Hibiki
over 6 years
pranay, turq was asking for a notice explaining to killer to remember that they can only joint when theres 2 people left alive and cant joint when its 2 mafia 1 killer 1 town
deletedover 6 years
the only sensible answers to those questions btw are:

single game of mafia

repeated game of manhunt(and all other joint win games) in subgames between alignments which can joint win

no, not at all


... in other words, we want people to play for their team as if they'll never play with the same set of people again, but the teams themselves (single players if there's only one) can think about future games and their reputation. and obviously don't punish people for not thinking mathematically about mafia
deletedover 6 years
do the rules apply to the game of mafia, or the repeated game of mafia?

do the rules apply to the game of manhunt, or the repeated game of manhunt?

is it in the scope of the rules to punish players for failing to identify a dominant strategy where one exists, or not?

this is the entire set of variables that specify a site-wide policy on all these things and most other controversies arising from the game of mafia
deletedover 6 years
here's a 6 word summary of this entire thread/idea:

use backward induction or its gt
Hunt
over 6 years
I am on phone. I cant do anything now. Could you please make a new thread with better formatting.
vilden
over 6 years
this is all I can see man

matt
over 6 years

matt says

THIS IS ACTUALLY VERY HELPFUL BUT I AGREE WITH LACEY PLEASE CHANGE THE COLOR OF THE BACKGROUND BECAUSE IT IS TOO BRIGHT. MAKE IT A BIT DARKER AND IT IS SOLID.

panthero
over 6 years
Can someone else articulate turq's point properly. Can a mod please make a new thread with all points combined. Please make an announcement as well.
deletedover 6 years
Asking people to reas this thread during the game is not ogi but it is a lot to ask for
deletedover 6 years
but unironically, thanks for taking the time to put this little guide together. manhunt hasn’t been in main lobby in a long time and i imagine it’s probably a new setup with some unfamiliar roles for a lot of players so having this helps.
matt
over 6 years
THIS IS ACTUALLY VERY HELPFUL BUT I AGREE WITH LACEY PLEASE CHANGE THE COLOR OF THE BACKGROUND BECAUSE IT IS TOO BRIGHT. MAKE IT A BIT DARKER AND IT IS SOLID.
deletedover 6 years
i’m about to head to bed but can probably go more in depth tomorrow, good example is mafia and killer forcing nl with six alive and then each team (maf and killer) both nightkilling, leading to four left alive. in this case, scum automtically would win because they comprise half or more of the alive players. in order to correctly joint, killer needs to be one of the last two standing.

in a scenario like that, the correct play (unless you don’t want to joint i.e. are a fatass) is to force nl with six alive, mafia nk’s and killer kills one of the townies since killer doesn’t have the option to nk. this would then lead to five alive, at which point they lynch the second mafia. this leads to four alive, they force a nl and each hits a target that evening. that said, you also have to take vig into account and i’m deliriously tired right now so yeah, i’ll come back to this.
mandevian
over 6 years
Can you please elaborate it with scenarios and identify which actions are gt. So mods can add it in the thread.
deletedover 6 years
add in something about joint wins if you haven’t yet because i feel like i’ve seen an alarming number of games in the past where people misunderstood killer’s wincon in the context of joints and ended up screwing them over, i’d like to believe accidentally.
mandevian
over 6 years
No idiot. I want you to read it and add or append to it to make sure everything is covered. One person can't cover everything. There is a mod team. A team. The team needs to discuss this and vet it. Then you need to make a new thread including everything and sticky it. Then make an announcement that the thread is to be referred.
deletedover 6 years
this is so hard to read
justin
over 6 years
It'll stick it, is that what you want.
mandevian
over 6 years
Will a mod do anythint about this?
Hibiki
over 6 years
holy crap comp manhunt