Epicmafia

Manhunt rules

about 6 years

Anyone not in the game (including mods) is not allowed to tell you how to play this setup. If you think a certain action is playing towards your win condition, you have every right to take that action. However, there are certain situations where you must follow follow some rules. Asking people to read this thread during the game is NOT OGI.

If you have to choose between two options in the game and those options will lead to 1) certain loss or 2) even a 0.000001% chance to win, you must do #2. It is gamethrowing to do #1. Example scenarios are below:

For the purposes of this guide, SCUM = Spy/Stalker/Killer

1: You are Hunter/Agent/Vigilante/Jailer in a 3-way with Killer & Spy/Stalker:

Voting anything other than "no lynch" IS GT.
If you are Jailer, and you no lynch, jailing either of them IS GT.
If you are Vigilante, and you no lynch, shooting at night is NOT GT. If killer kills mafia and mafia no kills, you can only win by shooting killer.

2: You are Hunter/Agent/Vigilante/Jailer in a 4-way with Killer and Spy/Stalker:

If Vigilante and one other town are alive, and the town thinks that scum does not know who the vig is, then lynching mafia is NOT GT.
If Vigilante is not alive or if scum knows the vigilante, then voting anything other than "no lynch" IS GT.
If you no lynch, and you are Vigilante, then shooting at night is NOT GT.
If you NL, and you are Jailer, and Vigilante is known by scum or is dead, then jailing anyone IS GT.

3: 5-way with 2 scum alive:

Lynching known hunter IS GT.
If you know a scum, then no lynching IS GT, because you can lynch one scum that day and another tomorrow instead of going into 4- or 3- way with 2 scum.
If you lynch on a 5 way, then shooting as Vig is NOT GT.
If you NL, then jailing or jailkilling is NOT GT.
If you are lynched as Hunter, Vig is dead or known to scum, and killer/a mafia role are alive, then shooting as hunter IS GT.

4: If you are scum in a 3-way involving Killer, Mafia, Town:

Lynching Hunter is NOT GT. But it is against the win condition of the Hunter to lynch. Therefore, the Hunter will propose to NL, otherwise they will shoot you. This puts you at a greater risk. You can then make a pact with the other scum and NL and kill the Hunter at night. It is NOT GT to betray or to not betray even though you get a higher payout if you betray and kill the other scum. It is a choice you can make to maximize your payout over several games by setting up your meta that you do not betray.
Lynching the other scum is NOT GT if the town is voting with you.

I've likely missed some stuff, so mods please comment any other scenarios with rules to be enforced and I can add them. There are many other scenarios where some actions are suboptimal, but they are subjective to the situation, so we cannot pre define rules for them.

JeffreyAaron

almost 6 years

what a fücking MORONIC setup where you can be reported for GT by 4 different people because you jail killed your scumread.

literally reported for killing my scumread.

literally playing to win and reported.

Edark

almost 6 years

denial says

MisterPresident says

I love how not following the "rules" made for this setup, you can get a game throwing violation regardless of intent

yeah, the game has to be played by these rules otherwise 3 faction (surprise surprise) becomes ridiculously stupid in a competitive environment

this setup is just stupid in general given how many killing roles there are

Perhaps you shouldnt allow comping these setups to begin with or just let people do what they want. This is just dumb af

Edark

almost 6 years

Ally says

BeepBeepLettuce says

It you are in a 5-way with maf/killer, and then you get lynched as hunter, what you do is shoot any town role. It seems like GT, but it isn't.
Shooting mafia leads to 3-way where they kill for a win.
If you kill town, it leads to 3-way with two different alignments of scum. After that, it is prisoner's dilemma.

the proper thing to do would be to shoot no one tbh

the proper thing is to shoot whoever the fk u want, no option in this scenario is GT

BeepBeepLettuce

almost 6 years

It is only if you are lynched as hunter, but apparently there is an option for NL as well

Edark

almost 6 years

daily reminder kingmaking isnt against the rules, Idk why people think it isnt

blacksnakemoan

almost 6 years

comcam says

Songin says

MisterPresident says

It should be no one's responsibility to seek out this thread or make sure others read it

These aren't site rules. These are special made-up setup rules so that it can barely qualify for competition (I still think it doesn't)

All of this is way to complicated for allowing it in competition

The thing is, it's not really made up rules. Exmaple:If you're in 5 way, 2 maf alive and killer, then as town you NEED to nl and hope they kill each other. That is the only possible way for town to still win in that scenario. Doing anything else puts you in 100% autoloss, and therefore is gamethrowing.

Not true, you can lynch mafia and still win

I'm assuming he means 6-way, bc 5-way would be a mafia win. But the answer is no you can't, because lynching one mafia leaves the other alive to kill and mafia + killer makes 2 kills

comcam

almost 6 years

Songin says

MisterPresident says

It should be no one's responsibility to seek out this thread or make sure others read it

These aren't site rules. These are special made-up setup rules so that it can barely qualify for competition (I still think it doesn't)

All of this is way to complicated for allowing it in competition

The thing is, it's not really made up rules. Exmaple:If you're in 5 way, 2 maf alive and killer, then as town you NEED to nl and hope they kill each other. That is the only possible way for town to still win in that scenario. Doing anything else puts you in 100% autoloss, and therefore is gamethrowing.

Not true, you can lynch mafia and still win

Zovea

almost 6 years

Need this ruleset for traitors in Reverse.

deletedalmost 6 years

yes you can select no one

BeepBeepLettuce

almost 6 years

Ally says

BeepBeepLettuce says

It you are in a 5-way with maf/killer, and then you get lynched as hunter, what you do is shoot any town role. It seems like GT, but it isn't.
Shooting mafia leads to 3-way where they kill for a win.
If you kill town, it leads to 3-way with two different alignments of scum. After that, it is prisoner's dilemma.

the proper thing to do would be to shoot no one tbh

Wait I never noticed that option. You can actually no shoot? In role descriptions it says has the ability to kill anyone they choose when lynched.

deletedalmost 6 years

BeepBeepLettuce says

It you are in a 5-way with maf/killer, and then you get lynched as hunter, what you do is shoot any town role. It seems like GT, but it isn't.
Shooting mafia leads to 3-way where they kill for a win.
If you kill town, it leads to 3-way with two different alignments of scum. After that, it is prisoner's dilemma.

the proper thing to do would be to shoot no one tbh

BeepBeepLettuce

almost 6 years

BeepBeepLettuce says

It you are in a 5-way with maf/killer, and then you get lynched as hunter, what you do is shoot any town role. It seems like GT, but it isn't.
Shooting mafia leads to 3-way where they kill for a win.
If you kill town, it leads to 3-way with two different alignments of scum. After that, it is prisoner's dilemma.

Confirmation please?

BeepBeepLettuce

almost 6 years

It you are in a 5-way with maf/killer, and then you get lynched as hunter, what you do is shoot any town role. It seems like GT, but it isn't.
Shooting mafia leads to 3-way where they kill for a win.
If you kill town, it leads to 3-way with two different alignments of scum. After that, it is prisoner's dilemma.

deletedalmost 6 years

yeah accidentally f/ucking up because you don't know what you're doing and didn't read pranay's confusing mess of a thread does not mean you were trying to gt. that's another reason it shouldn't be comped.

MisterPresident

almost 6 years

I don't think anyone understands that these situations are either going to be mistakes or game throwing ONLY

The only time that is game throwing is if there is INTENT. It is not game throwing if people are ignorant of this thread, "the rules."

You will either have genuine mistakes (like not realizing that lynching hunter in 5way with 1 maf and 1 killer is still a loss for town even if shooting one of the 2) or mistakes that violate this thread and aren't actually against the rules for real (like playing kingmaker).

Neither one of those mistakes is actually and literally game throwing; the only thing "wrong" is that they did not read this thread

Smh

Songin

almost 6 years

MisterPresident says

It should be no one's responsibility to seek out this thread or make sure others read it

These aren't site rules. These are special made-up setup rules so that it can barely qualify for competition (I still think it doesn't)

All of this is way to complicated for allowing it in competition

The thing is, it's not really made up rules. Exmaple:If you're in 5 way, 2 maf alive and killer, then as town you NEED to nl and hope they kill each other. That is the only possible way for town to still win in that scenario. Doing anything else puts you in 100% autoloss, and therefore is gamethrowing.

BeepBeepLettuce

almost 6 years

It is town autowin if scum is lynched in hunter ccs and vigilante ccs with clear agent/jailer.

https://epicmafia.com/game/6625253/review

Killer cced vig and mafia cced hunter.

Say mafia was lynched. Vig kills killer at night. GG. Say killer was lynched. Maf kills vig (it is potentially GT to shoot as vig in the case you hit last town into loss), and lynch in hunter ccs.

ALSO: it is possible to win after lynching hunter in that case. hunter shoots cc (who happened to be mafia) and vig kills killer at night.

BeepBeepLettuce

almost 6 years

Also it is town autowin if 1 maf, killer, and a town are dead n2. Either lynch/jail in ccs, or if they claim hunter, have one hunter shoot another hunter claim and lynch in the 1/2 remaining.

BeepBeepLettuce

almost 6 years

Hey guys, if it is 5-way at night with maf and killer outed day before and vig dead, it is GT/autoloss to try to defect each other.

In 4 way, you can do it because if killer kills hunter 1 and maf kills killer, it is still maf win.

Giga

almost 6 years

MisterPresident says

It should be no one's responsibility to seek out this thread or make sure others read it

These aren't site rules. These are special made-up setup rules so that it can barely qualify for competition (I still think it doesn't)

Agree

MisterPresident

almost 6 years

It should be no one's responsibility to seek out this thread or make sure others read it

These aren't site rules. These are special made-up setup rules so that it can barely qualify for competition (I still think it doesn't)

All of this is way to complicated for allowing it in competition

Songin

almost 6 years

You're allowed to link them to this thread in game and explain the rules, it is not OGI to do so. If you do that, And they still at kingmaker, then it's vio-worthy. If you don't, then probably will be noted.

Don't take my word on that though, just what I would figure.

MisterPresident

almost 6 years

what do you do in situations where someone doesn't follow the rules in this thread but they also didn't have intent to throw (playing kingmaker)

do you refund the game? do you allow it?

this setup causes a broken competition

denial

almost 6 years

MisterPresident says

I love how not following the "rules" made for this setup, you can get a game throwing violation regardless of intent

yeah, the game has to be played by these rules otherwise 3 faction (surprise surprise) becomes ridiculously stupid in a competitive environment

this setup is just stupid in general given how many killing roles there are

MisterPresident

almost 6 years

I love how not following the "rules" made for this setup, you can get a game throwing violation regardless of intent