Anyone not in the game (including mods) is not allowed to tell you how to play this setup. If you think a certain action is playing towards your win condition, you have every right to take that action. However, there are certain situations where you must follow follow some rules. Asking people to read this thread during the game is NOT OGI.
If you have to choose between two options in the game and those options will lead to 1) certain loss or 2) even a 0.000001% chance to win, you must do #2. It is gamethrowing to do #1. Example scenarios are below:
For the purposes of this guide, SCUM = Spy/Stalker/Killer
1: You are Hunter/Agent/Vigilante/Jailer in a 3-way with Killer & Spy/Stalker:
Voting anything other than "no lynch" IS GT.
If you are Jailer, and you no lynch, jailing either of them IS GT.
If you are Vigilante, and you no lynch, shooting at night is NOT GT. If killer kills mafia and mafia no kills, you can only win by shooting killer.
2: You are Hunter/Agent/Vigilante/Jailer in a 4-way with Killer and Spy/Stalker:
If Vigilante and one other town are alive, and the town thinks that scum does not know who the vig is, then lynching mafia is NOT GT.
If Vigilante is not alive or if scum knows the vigilante, then voting anything other than "no lynch" IS GT.
If you no lynch, and you are Vigilante, then shooting at night is NOT GT.
If you NL, and you are Jailer, and Vigilante is known by scum or is dead, then jailing anyone IS GT.
3: 5-way with 2 scum alive:
Lynching known hunter IS GT.
If you know a scum, then no lynching IS GT, because you can lynch one scum that day and another tomorrow instead of going into 4- or 3- way with 2 scum.
If you lynch on a 5 way, then shooting as Vig is NOT GT.
If you NL, then jailing or jailkilling is NOT GT.
If you are lynched as Hunter, Vig is dead or known to scum, and killer/a mafia role are alive, then shooting as hunter IS GT.
4: If you are scum in a 3-way involving Killer, Mafia, Town:
Lynching Hunter is NOT GT. But it is against the win condition of the Hunter to lynch. Therefore, the Hunter will propose to NL, otherwise they will shoot you. This puts you at a greater risk. You can then make a pact with the other scum and NL and kill the Hunter at night. It is NOT GT to betray or to not betray even though you get a higher payout if you betray and kill the other scum. It is a choice you can make to maximize your payout over several games by setting up your meta that you do not betray.
Lynching the other scum is NOT GT if the town is voting with you.
I've likely missed some stuff, so mods please comment any other scenarios with rules to be enforced and I can add them. There are many other scenarios where some actions are suboptimal, but they are subjective to the situation, so we cannot pre define rules for them.
I'm assuming he means 6-way, bc 5-way would be a mafia win. But the answer is no you can't, because lynching one mafia leaves the other alive to kill and mafia + killer makes 2 kills
It you are in a 5-way with maf/killer, and then you get lynched as hunter, what you do is shoot any town role. It seems like GT, but it isn't. Shooting mafia leads to 3-way where they kill for a win. If you kill town, it leads to 3-way with two different alignments of scum. After that, it is prisoner's dilemma.
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yeah accidentally f/ucking up because you don't know what you're doing and didn't read pranay's confusing mess of a thread does not mean you were trying to gt. that's another reason it shouldn't be comped.
I don't think anyone understands that these situations are either going to be mistakes or game throwing ONLY
The only time that is game throwing is if there is INTENT. It is not game throwing if people are ignorant of this thread, "the rules."
You will either have genuine mistakes (like not realizing that lynching hunter in 5way with 1 maf and 1 killer is still a loss for town even if shooting one of the 2) or mistakes that violate this thread and aren't actually against the rules for real (like playing kingmaker).
Neither one of those mistakes is actually and literally game throwing; the only thing "wrong" is that they did not read this thread
The thing is, it's not really made up rules. Exmaple:If you're in 5 way, 2 maf alive and killer, then as town you NEED to nl and hope they kill each other. That is the only possible way for town to still win in that scenario. Doing anything else puts you in 100% autoloss, and therefore is gamethrowing.
Say mafia was lynched. Vig kills killer at night. GG. Say killer was lynched. Maf kills vig (it is potentially GT to shoot as vig in the case you hit last town into loss), and lynch in hunter ccs.
ALSO: it is possible to win after lynching hunter in that case. hunter shoots cc (who happened to be mafia) and vig kills killer at night.
Also it is town autowin if 1 maf, killer, and a town are dead n2. Either lynch/jail in ccs, or if they claim hunter, have one hunter shoot another hunter claim and lynch in the 1/2 remaining.
You're allowed to link them to this thread in game and explain the rules, it is not OGI to do so. If you do that, And they still at kingmaker, then it's vio-worthy. If you don't, then probably will be noted.
Don't take my word on that though, just what I would figure.
