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Google defines "hazing" as "the imposition of strenuous, often humiliating, tasks as part of a program of rigorous physical training and initiation."

Hazing IRL has kind of a funny history, especially as of late, but has been a mainstay in special clubs, fraternities/sororities and certain organizations for a very long time.

In Sandbox, however, hazing manifests itself as one of our most self-defeating traditions in the form of Policy. Policy-lynching noavis, who are more often than not new players who wandered into the wrong lobby by accident, is barely a form of hazing at all. Most people who are hazed know that it's coming, but because of the insular nature of this website and how we've developed a sort of dialect, there's no way for a new player to immediately navigate and understand this.

Really it shows a critical lack of awareness when people act as though a new player is going to know all of the EM lingo and how to play, especially Sandbox-specific terms. This website has no tutorial and the game starts speeding by so quick that unless you're just selecting things at random and just trying to run so that you stay in place, you're going to fail.

There's been plenty of threads denouncing the treatment of noavis before, and this isn't really one of those threads. This is more of an address to those in the community that still practice and defending hazing.

A lot of people tell me when I confront them about policy is that noavis ruin games and veg. This just goes back to the fact that this website doesn't have a tutorial. A lot of new players only have experience with something like ToS, which has a very different voting system than EM's. So when they look at their action screen at night and there's no indicator of what to do, how should we expect them to do anything right if their role is more complex than a cop or a doctor?

It's not like there's a way to check what your role does in Sandbox anyway. You have to go to the learn tab, and again: new players probably don't know how to navigate the website. If someone announces that they're new to EM, I'm glad that I see people directing noavis on where to go to get avatars and check out what their role does. But for those of you who are concerned with the game being ruined by noavis, does it really kill you if you help them out before the game starts?

Yeah there's not always going to be time before the game starts to give them a crash course, but if they happen to survive the first night then engage them there. Besides, it's not like you'd be talking about anything worthwhile during the daytime (let's save that for another thread.)

The nihilists in the back of the room will tell me that it doesn't matter if we get new players, that the site is dying or deserves to die. To quote Shounen from my Consensus thread: log out. If you really want EM to die, why are you still here? Looking to prospect in a ghost town? Good luck. And if you really want to terrorize this website, the users, or deprive Lucid of revenue, your efforts are better served in Main Lobby where most new players hang out anyway.

If you're one of the people who lead policy lynchings, I would rather take my gamble with a dozen new players than continue to play with the likes of you. Better the devil you don't know than the devil you do.

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really, he'll post anything to get the community to forget he's a man who pretended to a woman on a niche website for years of his life.
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What a self righteous post. Hoping to get some cookie points with the community, Golb?
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I agree sandbox is harder to pick up but that's no excuse to ostracize new users from the lobby, definitely for 3 months? or at all? It's a sign we need to be more open to helping them and explaining things, not pushing them out thus impeding community growth even more

there has always been new users in sandbox and there always will be. That won't change. The only thing that can change is your attitude towards them, and the first impressions the community will have on these users that will be the deciding factor on if they stay on the site or not. It's your choice on how you treat them, Moon, but your attitude falls into the exact category Golbolco was talking about that makes sandbox games less fun to play.
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People that play sandbox: weebs.
People that should play sandbox: everyone else.
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just admit you want to feel better than others for dedicating so much time to this website instead of losing your virginity

this is the lobby for fun and new people should be allowed to have it
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i've never seen someone so relentlessly and against all odds defend their "right" to be an asshole to people who aren't as familiar at a childrens party game as they are
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ok my real opinion is that if ur a jerk to new players ur probably no fun to play with anyways n u need a good cold water spritz to the face
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^ there was the place called training lobby

The merge was a mistake
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we should take the new players

and push them somewhere else
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sandbox is for the social players looking to kill a few minutes

main is for autists who spend over 40 hours a week playing mafia
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i didnt use main lobby at all until i had at least 2 years on my account, also main lobby is much friendlier to noavis than sandbox is
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Then what is your point.

If you want to stop noavi lynching just join the sandbox games. And instruct new players how to play the games
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your point was clear its just bad
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My point was pretty clear

Sandbox is not for new players since it was created

No reason to change the way it works just because main lobby is rude to noavis


shounen says



main lobby doesnt work as a training lobby anymore because the people there are also extremely elitist. noob players get sh*t on there quite easily.


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moonlightseal says

2 types of players are not for sandbox lobby:

1. New players. There is a training lobby out there (aka main lobby)

2. Try hard heart farming players. aka people with less profile visits than their score. There is a competitive lobby out there (and its main too)

Those 2 groups think sandbox has elitist attitude or whatever. When actually sandbox is basically just pushing people who are not suitable for the lobby out, which is a good thing in long term


"here are 2 groups of people not allowed in sandbox" *proceeds to call the people he disallowed from sandbox for being different elitist*

absolutely terrible take buddy
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i know this is the only source of attention you have and it makes you feel good to have somewhere you can act superior but like... cmon
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how about you stop being so condescending and just let noavis learn and have fun in a kind community
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How about just split main lobby back into 2 lobbies like before? Stupid how sandbox supposed to be a training lobby too
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ever heard of the hit thread "my thread"? yeah baby... youre looking at the owner of the greatest sandbox thread of all time
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also im literally a "sandboxer" or whatever idk why youre acting like i spend the most time in main lobby you absolute imbecile im here every goddamn day
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DO YOU UNDERSTAND HOW PRETENTIOUS YOU SOUND.......

main lobby doesnt work as a training lobby anymore because the people there are also extremely elitist. noob players get sh*t on there quite easily. also, main isnt really a place where you can learn how to play sandbox and vice versa, the communities have completely different cultures or whatever.

why would it be a good thing to push new players out? they will get the same assumption that sandbox is full of the rudest people on earth. new players are allowed to want to have a fun time in sandbox. get off your darwinist high horse.
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shounen says


moonlightseal says

pushing people who are not suitable for the lobby out, which is a good thing in long term


LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO


You should get back to your own lobby forum. This thread is none of your bussiness
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moonlightseal says

pushing people who are not suitable for the lobby out, which is a good thing in long term


LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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2 types of players are not for sandbox lobby:

1. New players. There is a training lobby out there (aka main lobby)

2. Try hard heart farming players. aka people with less profile visits than their score. There is a competitive lobby out there (and its main too)

Those 2 groups think sandbox has elitist attitude or whatever. When actually sandbox is basically just pushing people who are not suitable for the lobby out, which is a good thing in long term