purplex, I looked at that game, and frankly, you were rubbish. Regardless of whether cheating was happening or not, the outcome would probably have been the same.

Oh dear god, this explains so much. I've been in a game at 3-way lylo with the two (Kennedy + ProbablyMafia). Now I feel slightly robbed, even though my reasoning wasn't completely solid.

Germ, did you ever bother checking Megs87's games without Kennedy? If your cheating accusation would be true, she'd have a different pattern on games without him.

http://www.epicmafia.com/user/35311
ProbablyMafia is megs' alt. On this alt her score per life is 20 points higher. Also on this alt, not as many games were thrown for Kennedy. I'm going to spec the last 10 games and see how much differently she plays without Kennedy.

http://www.epicmafia.com/user/31931
Kennedytwo is kennedy's alt (if thats not obvious) He hasnt been playing that well this round

I support Megs & Kennedy.

Simply because I really don't want cavsfan to win gold.

theyve admitted to unconscious (but since they knew it was happening, I guess its concious friend bias) I dont know why kennedy doesnt drop out of the running for that reason alone, but he doesnt. But I do also believe its more serious, just harder to prove.

Yo, guys.

Is all this stuff, centered around some (unconscious) friend bias. Or is it something serious?

I know, Germatron. But you guys yourself said "We'll just see how many games he wins without Megs' help." So the games are relevant.

Yes you are, you just don't realize it.

well! no ones saying hes cheating in his most recent 5 games! get that through your head!

KHNM, I'm not here on any account of cavsfan.

he's a fail troll, ignore him and he'll change his act, i just finally got him to stop acting like his sappy "wants to be friends" troll form

I never thought I'd hear that from you, Germy :(. I'm not trolling.

holy shit khnm, stop trolling

Why shouldn't they be banned if they are cheating???

OK then I should clarify, I don't think they are cheating, but even if they were they shouldn't be banned, that is what I am saying. Why am I saying it, because people keep asking to ban them. OK we are all clear now.

If you continue to complain about him winning games without Megs, then this whole thing starts to look like it's not really about Megs, but about Cavsfan being upset about being behind Kennedy, and looking for ways to legitimatize it.

so are you saying he has to show the same level of winning performance in the OP games to be branded legit or a cheater?

Khnm, he didn't push on fake watcher, instead he pushed on his partner.

kittenz75: i'd have done it as well
kittenz75: and pushed on fake watcher

Consistenty kills Pr's isn't relevant. However, if he FoS's mafia surely is.

I think what we need to examine for the games going forward is if Kennedy consistently kills pr's as mafia and how often his fos is spot on.

it's interesting how DNA evidence can be used to convict a man, but can't be used to clear them on the grounds that DNA evidence isn't entirely reliable, go figure

mrb, I dont really understand what side youre on either, you seem to think they are cheating, just not enough to get perma banned.