Off to the gallows!

Nameless would vote guilty if on a jury. Nothing more needs to be said.

Ok I have to say, all the evidence is very solid. If I was on a jury right now, I would vote guilty. End of story. Another pair of cheaters caught. Lucid please administer the ban hammer.

damn did i not say he was a cheater

lol

^ That's what you missed.

Germatron... http://www.epicmafia.com/topic/8831

ya, I think I did, hold on, catching up

Germ I think you missed something

How many times did Kennedy stalk Megs as non-bg n1: 0/3
How many times did Kennedy stalk Megs as bg n1: 2/3
How many times did Megs fos Kennedy as mafia?: 0/2
How many times did Megs fos Kennedy as town?: 0/4
How many times does Kennedy fos Megs when she's mafia?: 2/2
How many times does Kennedy fos Megs when she's town: 0/4
How many times does Megs vote incorrectly when Kennedy is mafia: 4/4

I didnt do everyone because it would take too much time and got too confusing doing each one at the same time. I would like to see one of "how many times does kennedy fos/vote correctly if megs is in a position to tell mafia" and "how many times does megs fos/vote correctly when kennedy is in the gy as town"

Regarding the game with Kittenz and LOLUMAD, I figured pushing on fake watcher was suicide because Windsy was overtly scummy. I figured my best bet was to guise as LOLUMAD and get lucky with the tracker or push on fake tracker if they were on me.

Hmm, I could do this.

"How many times did Megs fos Kennedy as mafia?: 0
How many times did Megs fos Kennedy as town?: 0
How many times did Kennedy stalk Megs as non-pr: 0
How many times did Kennedy stalk Megs as pr: All but once. (and by process of elimination he knew your role but neglected to lynch you)
How many times has Kennedy been wrong as town?: 0
How many times has Megs been wrong when they were both town?: 0
How many times does Kennedy fos Megs when she's mafia?: Everytime.
How many times does Kennedy fos Megs when she's town: 0
How many times does Megs hammer incorrectly when Kennedy is mafia: Everytime"

I'd like more detail on this. Like, out of how many games. How many times Megs/Kennedy has been both town, how many times Megs was a non-PR and Kennedy was a mafia, etcetra.

I will shut, at once.

Hey I'm not saying you're right or wrong, just that you should base your arguments on examples of illegitimate play rather than a lack of examples to the contrary.

You'd think that after 30 games, if they were playing legitimately, they're be one game that proved it.

"Wanna know what there's no evidence for? -- Legitimate play whenever they're on opposing teams."

Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. I think that's how the phrase goes.

I agree with everything Dream said in full. And I've added a bit to the list.

How many times did Megs fos Kennedy as mafia?: 0
How many times did Megs fos Kennedy as town?: 0
How many times did Kennedy stalk Megs as non-pr: 0
How many times did Kennedy stalk Megs as pr: All but once. (and by process of elimination he knew your role but neglected to lynch you)
How many times has Kennedy been wrong as town?: 0
How many times has Megs been wrong when they were both town?: 0
How many times does Kennedy fos Megs when she's mafia?: Everytime.
How many times does Kennedy fos Megs when she's town: 0
How many times does Megs hammer incorrectly when Kennedy is mafia: Everytime


There is not evidence of one game where Megs made any decision that did not help Kennedy's change of winning.


I keep hearing people say there's not evidence of cheating. Wanna know what there's no evidence for? -- Legitimate play whenever they're on opposing teams.

squibbles, how is objective judgement impossible?

Blah, so glad I spent the last hour reading this crap.

I think it's fairly obvious cheating is going on. And it usually is the people you wouldn't think would cheat that do cheat. See: BHD and Tune.

Pity objective judgement is impossible, then, hey?

This shouldn't even be up for debate. Anyone who is reading the evidence objectively should realize they are cheating.

Megs, link some games where you FOS wrong when Kennedy is dead and had a chance to see a night meeting and you are town. Also link me to some games where he is mafia and you FOS both mafia correctly.

Okay so I think it is rather obvious that there is cheating going on here. There is no way that actions like this can be results of coincidental fair play. If you claim that this is a result of some 'bias' with friends, then you're either naive or retarded.

How many times did Meg's fos Kennedy as mafia?: 0
How many times did Kennedy stalk Megs as non-pr: 0
How many times did Kennedy stalk Megs as pr: All but once. (and by process of elimination he knew your role but neglected to lynch you)
How many times has Kennedy been wrong as town?: 0
How many times has Megs been wrong when they were both town?: 0
How many times does Kennedy fos Megs when she's mafia?: Everytime.

If you actually think that they wouldn't cheat, then I'm sorry but you are wrong. Both are decent players and both are capable of winning trophies, but they have not been doing it without cheating in the past two runs.