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Role Mechanics

about 7 years

This is meant to be a sort of master thread for all role mechanics and interactions.

If you have things to add or corrections or questions, post them down below

This thread contains only Village-sided roles

Mafia mechanics: https://epicmafia.com/topic/86420

Third Party mechanics: https://epicmafia.com/topic/86447

Note: This is not some strategy guide for each role but simply states role interactions and such that may not be obvious which in turn can be used to strategize things.

Mechanics will be either be placed on the role which performs the action or affected by it. Sometimes both. IDK.

I'm following the order of the role list, too lazy to alphabetize them, just use the search function.

Red Text are things i'm not sure of or want to test/confirm. please post games/screenshots for reference

Surgeon

  • Will stop mimic from converting to stolen role

Insane Cop/Non-sane Cops

  • Will have a suit
  • If role is stolen, the stealer will see which cop they are

Sherriff

  • If mimic'd etc., gun will have a 50% chance of revealing like a normal gun
  • fabbed guns will always take priority over any gun

Deputy

  • If mimic'd etc., gun will have a 50% chance of revealing like a normal gun
  • fabbed guns will always take priority over any gun

Drunk

  • Will roleblock the hooker (takes priority)

Bulletproof

  • Receiving a vest will stack with its vest like normal

Bleeder

  • While bleeding, can take any number of gun shots, bomb explosions, and voodoo (will continually get chills) but won't die until the end of the day
  • Can survive famine even without bread (will bleed instead as usual)

Bomb

  • A vested bomb will still kill the killer but bomb will not die

Granny

  • Will not die from stab wounds (will never bleed to death)
  • Visits the person they kill

Hunter

  • Still activates if gov/don OTs to them

Agent

  • If a role is missing, that role has been converted

Celebrity

  • Will always appear as celebrity despite being converted/stolen unless oracle or crystal reveals them again
  • If celeb is janned and guised, celeb will be guised without any trace except for the usual (reports, patho meeting, etc.)

Loudmouth - Using a key will make loudmouth visit themself

Mason

  • Can kill Cult, Cthulhu, and Killer (though the killer one shouldn't be but w/e)
  • Will mason mafia if driven to mafia with masoning
  • Will mason mafia if monkey'd to mafia without mismasoning
  • masons in the first conversion to happen, then all other roles (cult/borg/etc.), yak is last to convert
  • Masoning a person who is being mimicked on the same night will cause the mason not to go through (mimic will take original role and the masoned person will see themselves as mason they are actually blue)
  • Cures Cthulhu insanity
  • Not affect by Cthulhu

Jailer

  • If gator and jailer jail/gator each other, they will appear in the other's cell alone
  • Takes priority over chef meetings (aka if chef also targets A, A will appear in jail still but should get the chef report anyway)
  • Jailers share a meeting and will be in the jail room together
  • Visits "undefined" if they are alone
  • Cannot jail-kill if snowballed (still has meeting)

Chef

  • Chef will still go through when lynched
  • Meetings goes through suits or acted selves (aka actress will appear as actress)
  • apparently this is prioritized over jail meetings
  • Chefs share a meeting

Turncoat

  • If they are shrinked, will they be immortal to maf kills?

Enchantress

  • Crystalling an oracle is useless, they will only show their orc target not the crystal's

Priest

  • Only kills werewolf if they are eaten by the werewolf, werewolf failing will not be killed
  • Does not detect zombies visiting them
  • Self-vists
  • Will be auto-killed by trapper and interceptor

Trapper

  • Will be revealed like Interceptor does
  • Can auto-kill the priest

Baker

  • Famine also happens when they veg or sui
  • Amn on baker will stop famine

Ghoul

  • Will not redirect jail/gator kills
  • Self-visits but will visit their target if they are redirecting a kill

Penguin

  • Noot not
  • Can give reports of who ninja visited

Justice

  • Puts non-hostile third as town alignment (aka town and vivor are same)
  • Will report miller and villager as same alignment (compared to sane/insane cop which gets them different)

Treestump

  • Can be converted into cyborg (Ty LekkuLover)
  • Can be maided
  • Can die via voodoo (as well as arson and strongman)

Bride

  • Proposal cannot be accepted if the player is already in love (via lover, cupid, heartbreaker etc.) cannot accept if that person is lover or heartbreaker
  • If bride brides disguised person, the proposal will go to the person in the graveyard, however the person in the graveyard can't accept it, leading the guiser to veg

Monkey

  • Umm, probably too many to list
  • See lover Do to X. will cause X to see lover message but won't actually be in love and lover will still have lover meeting until not monkey'd
  • If monkey chooses amn as first target, monkey's role will turn into second target's role. Amn will stay amn, second target's role will stay same. (ty xfire1994)

Virgin

  • its death message "virgin has been sacrificed!" will always appear when they die
  • gov OT counts as being lynched (ty FilthyLawn)

Blacksmith

  • Vests infinitely stack

Oracle

  • If vested and hit, will reveal orc target. Allows for multiple orcing in a game
  • Can update already revealed roles (aka orcing culted celeb will show them as cult)

Dreamer

  • Includes hostile thirds if maf is dead
  • If there's a gambler alive, will receive a dream in the middle of the night regardless if visited. This allows for dreamer to have 2 dreams in 1 day (1 at night 1 at day)

Lightkeeper

  • Does not turn off the lights if vested and hit thank goodness

Keymaker

  • Keys cause a role to self visit. This can make loudmouth message say they visited themselves and can make Cthulhu insane (ty riskitforthebiscuit)
  • You will still be sent to jail if you key yourself in but cannot be killed

Gunsmith

  • Their guns will be overridden by fab guns

Tinkerer

  • If there's a gambler alive, will receive a gun at night even if visited
  • Will not receive a gun if there are no night meetings

Mimic

  • If surgeon'd/shrinked, will steal role of person (they turn blue) but mimic will remain as mimic and can mimic again
  • Can steal roles of non-hostile thirds
  • Stealing cop reveals their sanity
  • If it steal lm/gallis/etc., will still appear as blue to themselves
  • mimicking someone who is masoned on the same night will take their original role but the one who is masoned will appear masoned to himself but is actually blue
  • mimics can mimic lover, rival, prophet, alien, sidekick, survivor, and angel (otherwise they turn amn)

Butterfly

  • Changes lyncher and angel targets

Trickster

  • Holding its own bomb will reveal self like anarchist
  • Gives out fabbed items including bombs which will not detonate and will cause the holder to veg (ty riskitforthebiscuit)
Mythbusters EM Edition
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I am willing to participate and cooperate in any role mechanic testing if needed, just hmu
about 7 years
Also will tinkerer get gun if the one who visited them got roleblocked
about 7 years
I think ninja visits. It can trigger loudmouth, penguin and thlu
I wonder how thlu really works
about 7 years

tomaz0 says

Trickster knives can still kill a target despite giving the fabbed message. Target also will not be notified that they are bleeding.



its the same for fab
about 7 years
Trickster knives can still kill a target despite giving the fabbed message. Target also will not be notified that they are bleeding.
about 7 years
I will add something about granny mechanic. Since I see none yet

For example. If 2 mafs visit granny.

Watcher will see the first maf visits granny.

Tracker will see both of them visit granny


But tracker will also see granny visit both of them

And watcher will see granny on both of them too
about 7 years
Famine happens when the last baker is converted into another role (masoned/culted/yakked/etc.).
about 7 years
Hunter/Hunts can no't shoot through vests sadly.
about 7 years
So
That means

1. Loudmouth doesnt self visit. The message it gets. The shout. I think. Does not come from the role. It comes from the village everytime a loudmouth is visited. Pretty much like autocrat and mastermind message. So no way to stop it from shouting

2.there r 2 steps in every visit. The tracker step and the do action step. Drunk block the second step. The first step trigger loudmouth. But the second step gives the name
about 7 years

PatrykSzczescie says

Loudmouth is pretty buggy - it will reveal a system message that occurs when LM is visited, but it won't reveal the name of the roleblocker. I'm not certain about other visitors, but I have seen LM message without any names shown a few of times.


Drunk on loudmouth reveals drunk. If the role that visits louthmouth is drunked it will show the message but the name won't be in it
about 7 years
Thanks for the input Patryk!
about 7 years

moonlightseal says

Let me ask some quick questions about drunk/hook. These need to be tested

1. What kind of visit do they role block? Do they role block backdoor visit or just frontdoor? If there r 2 mafs. And 1 of them is roleblocked. Will the kill still happen. Or is it depend on WHICH mafia was roleblocked?
2. If there r 2 mafs. And the first one voting the kill was roleblocked. What would watcher (on the kill victim) see?
3. What happens when they tries to roleblock priest. Gramp. Thlu. Granny. Loudmouth.


1. They block every visit plus ninja. Non-visiting roles, such as watcher, orc, maid - they can't be roleblocked.
2. If the leading mafia is roleblocked, the second to vote for the kill will lead the kill, being visible in watcher reports as well as able to be exposed to bomb explosion.
3. Priest and gramps won't receive reports. Cthulhu will make the roleblocker mad. Loudmouth is pretty buggy - it will reveal a system message that occurs when LM is visited, but it won't reveal the name of the roleblocker. I'm not certain about other visitors, but I have seen LM message without any names shown a few of times.
about 7 years

luis4rod says


PatrykSzczescie says

Drunk will successfully drink the last hooker alive.

Bleeder can be healed by healing roles during the night.




But did the hooker hook the drunk :thinking:



Even after that, I've been playing Gangs of Chicago setup quite a lot.
about 7 years

moonlightseal says

ok. just tested.
Loudmouth doesnt self visit. Now how the can he autoshout, even at night o.o
also trapper auto kills priest


Huh, cool, thanks! I'm guessing interceptor also auto kills priest then?
about 7 years

PatrykSzczescie says

Drunk will successfully drink the last hooker alive.

Bleeder can be healed by healing roles during the night.




But did the hooker hook the drunk :thinking:

Also i think the bleeder is general knowledge but the problem is they usually get hit at night by maf and therefore die when the day ends (docs don't get a chance to save) Vests will delay the bleeding tho and then can get saved.
about 7 years

moonlightseal says

Some quick things need to be confirmed

Can vest still save yak?
Does loudmouth self visit? (He does if tracker gets the report saying yes)
Does trapper auto kill priest?
Can toreador use the stolen asso gun?


Vest will not save yak (only monk and virgin can)
Toreador can toread the associate and get his gun
about 7 years

moonlightseal says

Let me ask some quick questions about drunk/hook. These need to be tested

1. What kind of visit do they role block? Do they role block backdoor visit or just frontdoor? If there r 2 mafs. And 1 of them is roleblocked. Will the kill still happen. Or is it depend on WHICH mafia was roleblocked?
2. If there r 2 mafs. And the first one voting the kill was roleblocked. What would watcher (on the kill victim) see?
3. What happens when they tries to roleblock priest. Gramp. Thlu. Granny. Loudmouth.
4. If hooker and drunk rb each other and hoker tries to kill drunk. Will drunk die


I actually not sure about most of these, someone please let me know if they do know any of these

1. a)I'm not too sure about the backdoor/front door, i think they block both (aka watcher can be hooked). Not be confused with non-visiting roles that has meetings (orc/maid/etc.) which they cannot block.
b) The kill will still go through even if one maf is drunked as long as at least two mafia are voting

2. Good question, It might be that they see no one visiting...

3. Priest will get no reports, i think gramps is the same. Hooker/drunk will get thulu'd and die from granny. Loudmouth might get a "." i'm not sure...

4. This is one I've been wanting to test. According to Patryk drunk MIGHT be prioritized therefore stopping hooker hook and kill
about 7 years

FilthyLawn says

https://epicmafia.com/game/6200980

Bizarre glitch where mimic became librarian
I suspect the monkey messed something up.


Woah this weird, did you choose to mimic quasi? Also riskit halp pls
about 7 years
ok. just tested.
Loudmouth doesnt self visit. Now how the can he autoshout, even at night o.o
also trapper auto kills priest
about 7 years
Drunk will successfully drink the last hooker alive.

Bleeder can be healed by healing roles during the night.

Saved bomb will still kill the killer. The bomb may kill multiple killing roles if they try to kill the bomb (for the mafia only the leading one). Bomb kill counts as normal kill (can be saved/protected from the bomb).

Hunter can still shoot when majority votes for the hunter, but not when OT'd to the hunter from another lynch.

Mason will die due to mismason even if driven away from the mafia.

Deputy and sniper will reveal tinkerer's gun when shot. If tinkerer is lynched, the first to vote the tinkerer will receive tinkerer's gun.

BG can protecting a killing role from the bomb, which results in bomb and BG dying (it's guaranteed, either BG fails and dies protecting the killing role who kills the bomb or BG succeeds and kills the bomb dying due to explosion).
about 7 years

verumbark says

a guiser guising another guiser will become naked


what happens if three guisers guise into the same kill, such as in Masquerade Ball in main lobby?
about 7 years
I'm very behind I promise i'll check these comments and update the thread accordingly over the weekend
about 7 years
Some quick things need to be confirmed

Can vest still save yak?
Does loudmouth self visit? (He does if tracker gets the report saying yes)
Does trapper auto kill priest?
Can toreador use the stolen asso gun?
about 7 years
Let me ask some quick questions about drunk/hook. These need to be tested

1. What kind of visit do they role block? Do they role block backdoor visit or just frontdoor? If there r 2 mafs. And 1 of them is roleblocked. Will the kill still happen. Or is it depend on WHICH mafia was roleblocked?
2. If there r 2 mafs. And the first one voting the kill was roleblocked. What would watcher (on the kill victim) see?
3. What happens when they tries to roleblock priest. Gramp. Thlu. Granny. Loudmouth.
4. If hooker and drunk rb each other and hoker tries to kill drunk. Will drunk die
about 7 years
https://epicmafia.com/game/6200980

Bizarre glitch where mimic became librarian
I suspect the monkey messed something up.
about 7 years
oh wait i just read the "town only" thing