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luis4rod

over 6 years

This is meant to be a sort of master thread for all role mechanics and interactions.

If you have things to add or corrections or questions, post them down below

This thread contains only Village-sided roles

Mafia mechanics: https://epicmafia.com/topic/86420

Third Party mechanics: https://epicmafia.com/topic/86447

Note: This is not some strategy guide for each role but simply states role interactions and such that may not be obvious which in turn can be used to strategize things.

Mechanics will be either be placed on the role which performs the action or affected by it. Sometimes both. IDK.

I'm following the order of the role list, too lazy to alphabetize them, just use the search function.

Red Text are things i'm not sure of or want to test/confirm. please post games/screenshots for reference

Surgeon

Will stop mimic from converting to stolen role

Insane Cop/Non-sane Cops

Will have a suit
If role is stolen, the stealer will see which cop they are

Sherriff

If mimic'd etc., gun will have a 50% chance of revealing like a normal gun
fabbed guns will always take priority over any gun

Deputy

If mimic'd etc., gun will have a 50% chance of revealing like a normal gun
fabbed guns will always take priority over any gun

Drunk

Will roleblock the hooker (takes priority)

Bulletproof

Receiving a vest will stack with its vest like normal

Bleeder

While bleeding, can take any number of gun shots, bomb explosions, and voodoo (will continually get chills) but won't die until the end of the day
Can survive famine even without bread (will bleed instead as usual)

Bomb

A vested bomb will still kill the killer but bomb will not die

Granny

Will not die from stab wounds (will never bleed to death)
Visits the person they kill

Hunter

Still activates if gov/don OTs to them

Agent

If a role is missing, that role has been converted

Celebrity

Will always appear as celebrity despite being converted/stolen unless oracle or crystal reveals them again
If celeb is janned and guised, celeb will be guised without any trace except for the usual (reports, patho meeting, etc.)

Loudmouth - Using a key will make loudmouth visit themself

Mason

Can kill Cult, Cthulhu, and Killer (though the killer one shouldn't be but w/e)
Will mason mafia if driven to mafia with masoning
Will mason mafia if monkey'd to mafia without mismasoning
masons in the first conversion to happen, then all other roles (cult/borg/etc.), yak is last to convert
Masoning a person who is being mimicked on the same night will cause the mason not to go through (mimic will take original role and the masoned person will see themselves as mason they are actually blue)
Cures Cthulhu insanity
Not affect by Cthulhu

Jailer

If gator and jailer jail/gator each other, they will appear in the other's cell alone
Takes priority over chef meetings (aka if chef also targets A, A will appear in jail still but should get the chef report anyway)
Jailers share a meeting and will be in the jail room together
Visits "undefined" if they are alone
Cannot jail-kill if snowballed (still has meeting)

Chef

Chef will still go through when lynched
Meetings goes through suits or acted selves (aka actress will appear as actress)
apparently this is prioritized over jail meetings
Chefs share a meeting

Turncoat

If they are shrinked, will they be immortal to maf kills?

Enchantress

Crystalling an oracle is useless, they will only show their orc target not the crystal's

Priest

Only kills werewolf if they are eaten by the werewolf, werewolf failing will not be killed
Does not detect zombies visiting them
Self-vists
Will be auto-killed by trapper and interceptor

Trapper

Will be revealed like Interceptor does
Can auto-kill the priest

Baker

Famine also happens when they veg or sui
Amn on baker will stop famine

Ghoul

Will not redirect jail/gator kills
Self-visits but will visit their target if they are redirecting a kill

Penguin

Noot not
Can give reports of who ninja visited

Justice

Puts non-hostile third as town alignment (aka town and vivor are same)
Will report miller and villager as same alignment (compared to sane/insane cop which gets them different)

Treestump

Can be converted into cyborg (Ty LekkuLover)
Can be maided
Can die via voodoo (as well as arson and strongman)

Bride

Proposal cannot be accepted if the player is already in love (via lover, cupid, heartbreaker etc.) cannot accept if that person is lover or heartbreaker
If bride brides disguised person, the proposal will go to the person in the graveyard, however the person in the graveyard can't accept it, leading the guiser to veg

Monkey

Umm, probably too many to list
See lover Do to X. will cause X to see lover message but won't actually be in love and lover will still have lover meeting until not monkey'd
If monkey chooses amn as first target, monkey's role will turn into second target's role. Amn will stay amn, second target's role will stay same. (ty xfire1994)

Virgin

its death message "virgin has been sacrificed!" will always appear when they die
gov OT counts as being lynched (ty FilthyLawn)

Blacksmith

Vests infinitely stack

Oracle

If vested and hit, will reveal orc target. Allows for multiple orcing in a game
Can update already revealed roles (aka orcing culted celeb will show them as cult)

Dreamer

Includes hostile thirds if maf is dead
If there's a gambler alive, will receive a dream in the middle of the night regardless if visited. This allows for dreamer to have 2 dreams in 1 day (1 at night 1 at day)

Lightkeeper

Does not turn off the lights if vested and hit thank goodness

Keymaker

Keys cause a role to self visit. This can make loudmouth message say they visited themselves and can make Cthulhu insane (ty riskitforthebiscuit)
You will still be sent to jail if you key yourself in but cannot be killed

Gunsmith

Their guns will be overridden by fab guns

Tinkerer

If there's a gambler alive, will receive a gun at night even if visited
Will not receive a gun if there are no night meetings

Mimic

If surgeon'd/shrinked, will steal role of person (they turn blue) but mimic will remain as mimic and can mimic again
Can steal roles of non-hostile thirds
Stealing cop reveals their sanity
If it steal lm/gallis/etc., will still appear as blue to themselves
mimicking someone who is masoned on the same night will take their original role but the one who is masoned will appear masoned to himself but is actually blue
mimics can mimic lover, rival, prophet, alien, sidekick, survivor, and angel (otherwise they turn amn)

Butterfly

Changes lyncher and angel targets

Trickster

Holding its own bomb will reveal self like anarchist
Gives out fabbed items including bombs which will not detonate and will cause the holder to veg (ty riskitforthebiscuit)

Mythbusters EM Edition

15 signed

I am willing to participate and cooperate in any role mechanic testing if needed, just hmu

LeChuck

over 6 years

moonlightseal says

So tell me all the interesting thing monkey has that you heard about
In my last test. Momkey can create himself a priest report by seeing priest doing anyone (can be priest too). Im not sure monkey gets that report about people who visited him or about people who visited the one monkey "do"

It's people who visited the monkey

moonlightseal

over 6 years

So tell me all the interesting thing monkey has that you heard about
In my last test. Momkey can create himself a priest report by seeing priest doing anyone (can be priest too). Im not sure monkey gets that report about people who visited him or about people who visited the one monkey "do"

moonlightseal

over 6 years

continue with mimic mechanic

in the role description you see he will visit the target, and self visit in most situation ...

https://epicmafia.com/game/6342535

I will explain further which kind of visit mimic gives:

If mimicing town: Mimic will visit 3 times: 1 hidden self visit, 1 hidden visit target, 1 normal visit target

The 2 hidden visits cant be watched and driven (can be drunked and trapped) The normal visit actually has no purpose. Tracker will only see the mimic visit self and the target, cause its the system message removes same name in reports.

If mimicing maf or hostile 3rd: Tracker will see mimic will visit 2 times: 1 hidden self visit and 1 normal visit target. The mechanic for this kind of mimic is like above

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luis4rod

over 6 years

Thanks for the huge update moon! Great work, a true hero. I will hopefully find some time this week to update and organize this thread.

moonlightseal

over 6 years

Another example:
https://epicmafia.com/setup/1446991

We have here, in the actions order:

1. Mimic (A) on turncoat (B). Maf (C) visits and kill mimic (A)
2. Mimic (A) turns into turncoat. Turncoat (B) turns into blue
6. Turncoat (A) activates its new mechanic. It will turn into traitor if maf tries to kill it. Too bad Maf (C) already killed it in Step 1, so (A) dies as turncoat

Some notes with the steps:
Step 3 is used with granny and bp
Step 4 is used with lk, butterfly ...
I shouldn't have written step 5 there, it does nothing

moonlightseal

over 6 years

Ok. With mimic so far. I assume the actions with converting happen in this order:

1. All old role actions and mechanics (except convert)
2. Converting
3. New roles death + vest check
4. New roles effect if die (in role description, it says die, not "was killed")
5. Night end cut line
6. New role other mechanics

moonlightseal

over 6 years

https://epicmafia.com/game/6337706

mimic on lk, maf on mimic: well new lk dies, game goes anonymous day mode

moonlightseal

over 6 years

Posting some mimic testing game

https://epicmafia.com/game/6337681
https://epicmafia.com/game/6337672
https://epicmafia.com/game/6337665
https://epicmafia.com/game/6337642

mimic on granny, maf on mimic: no one dies
mimic on bomb/loudmouth, maf on mimic: the new bomb/loudmouth dies, nothing else happens
mimic on bp, maf on mimic: new mimic vest hit

moonlightseal

over 6 years

Repost mimic stuffs:

PatrykSzczescie says

Most of mimic mechanics:

- mimic is a visiting role,
- all role actions are made by mimic'd town person before they turn blue,
- mimic on granny is immune to any kills,
- shrink/enforcer/surgeon on mimic will prevent mimic from converting, but mimic'd person turns blue if town,
- shrink/enforcer/surgeon on mimic'd person will cause that mimic will copy the role from mimic'd, the mimic'd won't lose the role,
- mimic target can be driven,
- mimic turns into amnesiac only if the target is hostile 3rd-party (mistletoe, werewolf, killer, etc.),
- mimic into non-hostile 3rd-party will have their win condition changed, they have reset prophet meeting, changed lyncher/angel target, etc.,
- mimic'd non-hostile 3rd-party will be turned into blue and play towards town win condition,
- no suit will cover mimic from learning the role of the target, so mimic can see himself as miller/loudmouth/insane cop, etc.,
- mimic on treestump will still get his role, however treestump won't be converted into blue if has become tree,
- mimic will be gunned/vested if receives a role which gets a gun/vest in the beginning without stealing items, but still can be killed at the same night despite getting BP role,
- mimic on people whose role action are made once in game and has already been used (angel, enchantress, governor, ghoul) will get another role action.

moonlightseal

over 6 years

Ok full mason mechanic:

Masoning has 2 steps: checking step (S1) and visiting step (S2a or S2b)

S1: check the person (called X) to see if they can be masoned or not. If they can, go S2a. If they r mafs or cult or killer, go S2b. In this step, mason does NOT visit

S2a: Masons visit X to convert them. Mason visit is counted as a normal group visit. The method of this visit is converting. This can be driven, making maf AND cult can be masoned.

S2b: Masons will visit X, this is also a normal group visit, but has no method.

Notes:

If maf is visited by masons: that only maf will visit and kill masons. This is a normal visit, method: killing

If cult is visited by masons: cult will visit themselves and kill themselves. This is a normal visit, method: killing

Special case with driver : M = mason, A is mason target, A is driven with B

- If A is town, B is maf: (Mason visits to mason maf, maf visits mason back and kill them), result: mason dies, when B is masoned
- If A is town, B is cult : (Mason visits to mason cult, cult visits themselves - oh wait - actually A - thanks driver - to kill them), result: A dies, B is now masoned
- If A is maf/cult, B is town : (The check means go S2b, masons visit B for fun), result: nothing happens
- If A is cult, B is maf: (Masons visit maf for fun, maf visits to kill mason), result: mason dies.
- If A is maf, B is cult: (Masons visit cult for fun, cult visits to kill maf!!!), result: maf dies

moonlightseal

over 6 years

Before I rewrite the full mason guide:

https://epicmafia.com/game/6337532
https://epicmafia.com/game/6337527

Heres the basic: If mismason, maf will go to kill the mason that night. Mismason can be saved normally, and maf can be killed. So mismason mechanic is actually give maf an extra killing visit to mason

moonlightseal

over 6 years

Butterfly resets mafia team
https://epicmafia.com/game/6333324

Volta

over 6 years

If Bomb gets killed and mimiced same night, it still explodes as usual and kills it's attacker but appears on GY as Blue and Mimic becomes Bomb.

moonlightseal

over 6 years

PatrykSzczescie says

moonlightseal says

In my last tests:
As I expected, roleblocked people cant get carol.

They can if they don't visit.

Also, roleblocked mimic doesn't self-visit. I'm not certain how it works for other roles.

I think drunk blocks the visitor getting to the visited but they still visit. Drunk stops the second path of a visit to happen

PatrykSzczescie

over 6 years

Nvm, I've just seen the game where BG didn't save yak, but I wonder if it doesn't work on 50-50 chance between save yak and "doc-save".

PatrykSzczescie

over 6 years

moonlightseal says

In my last tests:
- Bg cant save yak

Can you give a link to this game?

moonlightseal says

As I expected, roleblocked people cant get carol.

They can if they don't visit.

Also, roleblocked mimic doesn't self-visit. I'm not certain how it works for other roles.

moonlightseal

over 6 years

As I expected, roleblocked people cant get carol.

But tinkerer doesnt get gun if visited by a roleblocked person, which means their mechanic is different to granny

moonlightseal

over 6 years

tested: trapper cant kill a person that got his visit drunked

So, we can say drunk:

-Turn all frontdoor visit into useless backdoor visit

-An useless backdoor visit is only a visit to tracker, it is a not a visit to everything else

-Loudmouth got its buggy message cause it releases when the visit occurs, but the names only reveals when the visit ends

moonlightseal

over 6 years

tested: lookout cant see his visit

moonlightseal

over 6 years

Mega drunked test results:

-Drunk roleblocks every kind of visit

-All kinds of frontdoor visit becomes backdoor if drunked

-If a roleblocked person visits priest, priest gets "You spent a lonely night report"

-If a roleblocked person visits granny, no one dies

-If a roleblocked person visits thlu, no one thlued

-If a roleblocked person visits turncoat, no turns

-If a roleblocked person visits loudmouth, a buggy message appears.

-But if you track a roleblocked person, you will still see his visiting

-Bonus in group meeting: If the first one voting gets roleblocked, the first one will do backdoor visit, and his visit does nothing, while the second one voting will do frontdoor visit

moonlightseal

over 6 years

If priest is visited by a roleblocked person
They will get a message saying they was visited by no one

which is weird, since roleblocked person still visit

I could say, priest needs a front door non-roleblocked visit to count as a person who visited their church

moonlightseal

over 6 years

In my last tests:
- Drunked granny can kill people, which means their visit absolutely does nothing
- Yak still self visits
- Bg cant save yak

moonlightseal

over 6 years

ok I got the mason thing wrong

Here is what I wrote 2 years ago

OK heres how it works
- When mason choose a target, if that target is town, mason visits and masons that target.
- If that target is cult or maf, mason does nothing (mason still visits that target)
- If a maf is visited by mason, maf comes visit and kills the mason
- If a cult is visited by mason, cult visits himself and kills himself

Special case with driver : M = mason, A is mason target, A is drove with B

- If A is town, B is maf partner : mason dies, when B is masoned
- If A is town, B is cult : A dies (not masoned), B is now masoned
- If A is maf, B is town : nothing happens
- If A is cult, B is maf: mason dies. Nothing else happens.

https://epicmafia.com/game/4311417
https://epicmafia.com/game/4311321

And the conversed order is :
Maid -> 3rd -> Masoned -> Yakked -> Mimiced/ town roled (you mimic someone else)

moonlightseal

over 6 years

Mason night meeting works like this

It has 2 steps: watching step and visiting step

S1: check the person (called X) to see if they can be masoned or not. If they can, go S2a. If they r mafs, go S2b. If they r cult, go S2c. In this step, mason doesnt visit

S2a: Masons visit X to convert them. Mason visit is counted as a normal group visit. Tracker got all of them. Watcher on X only get the first mason voting, they get the second one if the first one is roleblocked. X can be surgeon, making mason die. This can be driven, making maf can be masoned. Not sure if cult can be masoned this way, I think they cant cause the cult - die by mason thing is made in cult mechanic, not mason mechanic

S2b: X will visit and kill masons. Masons dont visit this time. But I remember X visit cant be driven, or drunked but can be caught by watcher. Weird.

S2c: mason simply visits and kill cult. I think this works like S2a, mason tries to convert cult, but cult mechanic makes them auto die when visited by mason

Also I think the thlued stuff was written to be cured by masoned. Or by converting