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PAM AND ANNAJANE SHOULD BE DEMODDED

over 8 years

PER INFORMATION FOUND IN THIS THREAD:
https://epicmafia.com/topic/76875

BEFORE WE BEGIN, WE MUST EXPLORE WHY THIS IS AN IMPORTANT ISSUE.

  1. THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN MODS AND THE COMMUNITY IS ONE BUILT UPON TRUST. - MUCH LIKE POLICE OFFICERS AND THE COMMUNITIES THEY ARE TASKED WITH KEEPING SAFE, THERE NEEDS TO BE A CERTAIN LEVEL OF MUTUAL TRUST BETWEEN THE TWO PARTIES.
  2. THE COMMUNITY IS HOSTILE TOWARDS THE MODS. TYING IN WITH #1, THE COMMUNITY IS LARGELY HOSTILE TOWARDS THE MOD TEAM AS A WHOLE. THIS IS MOSTLY DUE TO THE ABUSES OF THE PREVIOUS MOD TEAM, AND REFLECTS UNFAIRLY ON MOST OF THE CURRENT MODS AS A WHOLE. HOWEVER THIS SIMPLY UNDERLINES HOW IMPORTANT IT IS TO RE-ESTABLISH LOST TRUST.

  3. THE COMMUNITY RELIES ON MODERATORS TO BE IMPARTIAL, FAIR, AND TO UPHOLD THE RULES TO THE BEST OF THEIR ABILITIES. THIS IS ALREADY DIFFICULT TO DO WHEN YOU DON'T HAVE THE TRUST OF THE COMMUNITY. REGARDLESS, THE COMMUNITY RELIES ON THE MOD TEAM TO FACILITATE A POSITIVE ENVIRONMENT FOR ALL. THE REASON PEOPLE CHOOSE TO LEAVE COMMUNITIES IS WHEN THE PEOPLE TASKED WITH PROTECTING THOSE COMMUNITIES ARE THE ONES WHO MAKE IT TOXIC.

WE HAVE ALL SEEN THE RECENT BACKLASH AGAINST POLICE OFFICERS WHO ABUSE THEIR POWER BECAUSE THEY NEED NOT ANSWER FOR IT. THIS IS A STANDARD WE NEED TO AVOID.


SO WHY SHOULD WE DEMOD ANNAJANE AND SIMPLYPAM?
ASIDE FROM THE FACTS LINKED AT THE TOP OF THE OP, LET'S REVIEW THE FACTS.

  1. IT HAS BEEN CLEARLY ESTABLISHED BEYOND A SHADOW OF A DOUBT THAT ANNAJANE AND SIMPLY PAM HAVE BEEN CAUGHT ABUSING THEIR MOD POWER. HOWEVER, THIS ISN'T REASON ENOUGH TO DEMOD SOMEONE. SOMETIMES MODS MAKE MISTAKES, EVERYONE LOSES THEIR COOL AT ONE POINT OR ANOTHER. THEN WHY IS WALRUS ADVOCATING FOR THE DEMODDING OF THESE TWO CORRUPT MODS?

  2. ANNAJANE AND SIMPLYPAM HAVE BEEN CAUGHT COLLUDING TO GIVE VIOLATIONS TO PEOPLE THEY DON'T LIKE. - PROVED IN THE THREAD LINKED AT THE TOP. THIS IS EXTREMELY PROBLEMATIC, AS IT IS AKIN TO A POLICE OFFICER ARRESTING A PERSON THEY DON'T LIKE ON A BOGUS CHARGE, AND A JUDGE COLLUDING WITH THAT POLICE OFFICER TO GIVE THEM THAT VIOLATION. THIS IS DOWNRIGHT DISGUSTING; IT BETRAYS THE TRUST THE COMMUNITY HAS IN THE MOD TEAM, AND DESTROYS THE CREDIBILITY OF THE REPORTS THESE SPECIFIC MODERATORS HANDLE AND THE VERDICTS OF THE MODERATOR TEAM HANDLES IN GENERAL.

  3. WE NEED TO SET AN EXAMPLE AND A STANDARD. SIMPLY GIVING PAM AND ANNAJANE A SLAP ON THE WRIST SERVES ONLY TO FURTHER ALIENATE THE MOD TEAM FROM THE COMMUNITY. THE COMMUNITY NEEDS TO BE SENT A SIGNAL THAT THEY HAVE THE COMMUNITY'S BEST INTERESTS AT HEART, AND PEOPLE WHO THREATEN TO UNDERMINE THAT COMMUNITY WILL NOT BE TOLERATED. WORDS NEED TO BE BACKED BY ACTIONS.

  4. ALLOWING PAM AND ANNA TO WALK AWAY SCOTT FREE SETS A BAD PRECEDENT FOR WHAT IS ACCEPTABLE. EVEN IF THEY "GET A WARNING", THEY HAVEN'T SUFFERED ANY TANGIBLE CONSEQUENCES. THEY DON'T CARE, AND THEY GET THE SMUG SATISFACTION THAT THEY GOT TO ABUSE THEIR POWER ON SOMEONE THEY DIDN'T LIKE. FURTHERMORE, IF WALRUS HADN'T RAISED A CRAPSTORM, WE HAVE NO GUARANTEE THAT THEY WOULD HAVE EVEN BEEN CAUGHT. WE'VE SEEN COUNTLESS EXAMPLES OF MODS GETTING AWAY WITH ABUSING THEIR POWER IN THE PAST.

WE THE COMMUNITY SIMPLY CANNOT STAND FOR THIS TYPE OF ABUSE TO WALK AWAY SCOTT FREE. WE HAVE EMPIRICAL EXAMPLES OF COMMUNITIES DYING BECAUSE THOSE ESTABLISHED IN POWER PLACED THEMSELVES ABOVE THE RULES WHICH THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO ENFORCE. PAM AND ANNA MUST BE DEMODDED FOR THE MOD TEAM TO RESTORE ANY SEMBLANCE OF LEGITIMACY TO ITS NAME AND THE RULES WHICH IT GOVERNS.

F R E E | E P I C | M A F I A

deletedover 8 years
can someone forum ban golbolco
deletedover 8 years

Calvin says

why did they kick him out of their comp table and then force log him out


because they like to segregate the user base
over 8 years

WildWalrus says


Hibiki says

if the admin(s) dont consider it demod worthy, they'll get a stern warning internally.

i mean, i'd've thought that, but i doubt harrold actually cares. he introduced "quality control" to rid the team of naysayers so now its just him and ppl he likes.




THIS IS EXACTLY THE PROBLEM I OUTLINE. WHAT DOES A "STERN WARNING" ENTAIL? HOW MANY "STERN WARNINGS" = 1 DEMOD? SURE THERE MIGHT BE A LITTLE REGULATION OVER WHAT MODS CAN AND CANNOT DO, BUT REGARDLESS OF WHAT THEY DO AND HOW BAD IT WAS, THEY BASICALLY DON'T HAVE TO ANSWER TO ANYONE FOR ANY CRIMES THEY COMMIT.

END THE ABUSE.


Doesn't look like mod abuse offenses are listed on the mod abuse rule.

Mod Abuse
Use of moderator or admin privileges for personal gain including but not limited to being selectively harsh on certain disliked players, or selectively lenient on favored players. Moderators being rude to the player base will not be tolerated either. This rule applies to lobby mods for Sandbox, Survivor, and Games. Report admin infractions by email to [email protected] with 'epicmafia' in the subject header.

Your best bet might actually be PMing Solace/Roadman directly, since reporting them is going a step above that.
over 8 years

caroline says


Devante says

this guy has never been funny, and i've literally not read one thing he's posted and forum blocked him before reading any of his posts

so all i see are his long op's when i have to scroll through them to make comments like this


crack


on the phone fam gimmie a sec
over 8 years
stern warnings are actually pretty stern. they mean "youre not supposed to do that. do not do that".

again, i'm talking in the past
deletedover 8 years
why did they kick him out of their comp table and then force log him out
deletedover 8 years

Calvin says

i can't comprehend the OP, what is this guy saying?


read harod's and mod's posts in this thread starning with harod's post https://epicmafia.com/topic/76875?page=2
over 8 years

Hibiki says

if the admin(s) dont consider it demod worthy, they'll get a stern warning internally.

i mean, i'd've thought that, but i doubt harrold actually cares. he introduced "quality control" to rid the team of naysayers so now its just him and ppl he likes.




THIS IS EXACTLY THE PROBLEM I OUTLINE. WHAT DOES A "STERN WARNING" ENTAIL? HOW MANY "STERN WARNINGS" = 1 DEMOD? SURE THERE MIGHT BE A LITTLE REGULATION OVER WHAT MODS CAN AND CANNOT DO, BUT REGARDLESS OF WHAT THEY DO AND HOW BAD IT WAS, THEY BASICALLY DON'T HAVE TO ANSWER TO ANYONE FOR ANY CRIMES THEY COMMIT.

END THE ABUSE.
deletedover 8 years
they kicked him out of their comp table then force logged him out then gave him a lobby camping vio and now he's sad
deletedover 8 years
i can't comprehend the OP, what is this guy saying?
deletedover 8 years

Germatron says

everyone in this thread is wrong

yes, the violation was removed, but pam/aj more than kind of messed up. this is borderline mod abuse. so acting like a thread is completely unwarranted because the vio no longer exists, kind of ignores the point of the thread

but with that said, I think they realize what they did was wrong, and it's not that big of a deal


girls just want to have fun
deletedover 8 years

The says

So this thread was locked and then ww proceeds to make another, nearly identical thread. I think a forum spam vio is in order.


dont let yourself be a cog in the machine! educate yourself. read reciprocity

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Cialdini#Six_key_principles_of_influence
over 8 years
if the admin(s) dont consider it demod worthy, they'll get a stern warning internally.

i mean, i'd've thought that, but i doubt harrold actually cares. he introduced "quality control" to rid the team of naysayers so now its just him and ppl he likes.
deletedover 8 years

Devante says

this guy has never been funny, and i've literally not read one thing he's posted and forum blocked him before reading any of his posts

so all i see are his long op's when i have to scroll through them to make comments like this


crack
over 8 years
this guy has never been funny, and i've literally not read one thing he's posted and forum blocked him before reading any of his posts

so all i see are his long op's when i have to scroll through them to make comments like this
deletedover 8 years
mother of god.

harrold is a genius

mods have already realized that avoiding talking on the forums minimizes drama. the problem with that however is the userbase then has full reign over the story.

the solution? role mods. give these guys a taste of power and a little flair next to their name. and they'll vehemently suck up and defend you in every thread that pops up.

I respect the play
over 8 years

Calvin says


Impoetic says

your sense of humor is worse than my little brother's. At least some of his overextended jokes have punchlines.


sav


okay yeah that was really rude of me i feel bad for saying that about my brother now :(
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Impoetic says

your sense of humor is worse than my little brother's. At least some of his overextended jokes have punchlines.


sav
over 8 years
FIGHT THE POWER. WE WILL RISE
over 8 years
STOP
UNFAIR
REPEATED
LAWLESS
ABUSE
WALRUS4MOD
over 8 years
all of that aside, i actually couldn't care less. i didnt read this thread, i didn't read the last thread walrus posted, i havent read a single walrus post and if i did, it didn't actually matter.
over 8 years

Satan says


The says

So this thread was locked and then ww proceeds to make another, nearly identical thread. I think a forum spam vio is in order.


good thing you aren't in charge of forums so who cares what you think


Walrus cares enough to downvote.

Thanks walrus, it's nice to see someone cares. <3
over 8 years

The says

So this thread was locked and then ww proceeds to make another, nearly identical thread. I think a forum spam vio is in order.


good thing you aren't in charge of forums so who cares what you think
over 8 years
WALRUS WILL NOT REST UNTIL THE ROADMANS HIMSELF MAKES AN OFFICIAL STATEMENT REGARDING THIS MATTER AND THE PUNISHMENT WHICH ANNAJANE AND PAM WILL RECEIVE.
over 8 years
So this thread was locked and then ww proceeds to make another, nearly identical thread. I think a forum spam vio is in order.