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PAM AND ANNAJANE SHOULD BE DEMODDED

over 8 years

PER INFORMATION FOUND IN THIS THREAD:
https://epicmafia.com/topic/76875

BEFORE WE BEGIN, WE MUST EXPLORE WHY THIS IS AN IMPORTANT ISSUE.

  1. THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN MODS AND THE COMMUNITY IS ONE BUILT UPON TRUST. - MUCH LIKE POLICE OFFICERS AND THE COMMUNITIES THEY ARE TASKED WITH KEEPING SAFE, THERE NEEDS TO BE A CERTAIN LEVEL OF MUTUAL TRUST BETWEEN THE TWO PARTIES.
  2. THE COMMUNITY IS HOSTILE TOWARDS THE MODS. TYING IN WITH #1, THE COMMUNITY IS LARGELY HOSTILE TOWARDS THE MOD TEAM AS A WHOLE. THIS IS MOSTLY DUE TO THE ABUSES OF THE PREVIOUS MOD TEAM, AND REFLECTS UNFAIRLY ON MOST OF THE CURRENT MODS AS A WHOLE. HOWEVER THIS SIMPLY UNDERLINES HOW IMPORTANT IT IS TO RE-ESTABLISH LOST TRUST.

  3. THE COMMUNITY RELIES ON MODERATORS TO BE IMPARTIAL, FAIR, AND TO UPHOLD THE RULES TO THE BEST OF THEIR ABILITIES. THIS IS ALREADY DIFFICULT TO DO WHEN YOU DON'T HAVE THE TRUST OF THE COMMUNITY. REGARDLESS, THE COMMUNITY RELIES ON THE MOD TEAM TO FACILITATE A POSITIVE ENVIRONMENT FOR ALL. THE REASON PEOPLE CHOOSE TO LEAVE COMMUNITIES IS WHEN THE PEOPLE TASKED WITH PROTECTING THOSE COMMUNITIES ARE THE ONES WHO MAKE IT TOXIC.

WE HAVE ALL SEEN THE RECENT BACKLASH AGAINST POLICE OFFICERS WHO ABUSE THEIR POWER BECAUSE THEY NEED NOT ANSWER FOR IT. THIS IS A STANDARD WE NEED TO AVOID.


SO WHY SHOULD WE DEMOD ANNAJANE AND SIMPLYPAM?
ASIDE FROM THE FACTS LINKED AT THE TOP OF THE OP, LET'S REVIEW THE FACTS.

  1. IT HAS BEEN CLEARLY ESTABLISHED BEYOND A SHADOW OF A DOUBT THAT ANNAJANE AND SIMPLY PAM HAVE BEEN CAUGHT ABUSING THEIR MOD POWER. HOWEVER, THIS ISN'T REASON ENOUGH TO DEMOD SOMEONE. SOMETIMES MODS MAKE MISTAKES, EVERYONE LOSES THEIR COOL AT ONE POINT OR ANOTHER. THEN WHY IS WALRUS ADVOCATING FOR THE DEMODDING OF THESE TWO CORRUPT MODS?

  2. ANNAJANE AND SIMPLYPAM HAVE BEEN CAUGHT COLLUDING TO GIVE VIOLATIONS TO PEOPLE THEY DON'T LIKE. - PROVED IN THE THREAD LINKED AT THE TOP. THIS IS EXTREMELY PROBLEMATIC, AS IT IS AKIN TO A POLICE OFFICER ARRESTING A PERSON THEY DON'T LIKE ON A BOGUS CHARGE, AND A JUDGE COLLUDING WITH THAT POLICE OFFICER TO GIVE THEM THAT VIOLATION. THIS IS DOWNRIGHT DISGUSTING; IT BETRAYS THE TRUST THE COMMUNITY HAS IN THE MOD TEAM, AND DESTROYS THE CREDIBILITY OF THE REPORTS THESE SPECIFIC MODERATORS HANDLE AND THE VERDICTS OF THE MODERATOR TEAM HANDLES IN GENERAL.

  3. WE NEED TO SET AN EXAMPLE AND A STANDARD. SIMPLY GIVING PAM AND ANNAJANE A SLAP ON THE WRIST SERVES ONLY TO FURTHER ALIENATE THE MOD TEAM FROM THE COMMUNITY. THE COMMUNITY NEEDS TO BE SENT A SIGNAL THAT THEY HAVE THE COMMUNITY'S BEST INTERESTS AT HEART, AND PEOPLE WHO THREATEN TO UNDERMINE THAT COMMUNITY WILL NOT BE TOLERATED. WORDS NEED TO BE BACKED BY ACTIONS.

  4. ALLOWING PAM AND ANNA TO WALK AWAY SCOTT FREE SETS A BAD PRECEDENT FOR WHAT IS ACCEPTABLE. EVEN IF THEY "GET A WARNING", THEY HAVEN'T SUFFERED ANY TANGIBLE CONSEQUENCES. THEY DON'T CARE, AND THEY GET THE SMUG SATISFACTION THAT THEY GOT TO ABUSE THEIR POWER ON SOMEONE THEY DIDN'T LIKE. FURTHERMORE, IF WALRUS HADN'T RAISED A CRAPSTORM, WE HAVE NO GUARANTEE THAT THEY WOULD HAVE EVEN BEEN CAUGHT. WE'VE SEEN COUNTLESS EXAMPLES OF MODS GETTING AWAY WITH ABUSING THEIR POWER IN THE PAST.

WE THE COMMUNITY SIMPLY CANNOT STAND FOR THIS TYPE OF ABUSE TO WALK AWAY SCOTT FREE. WE HAVE EMPIRICAL EXAMPLES OF COMMUNITIES DYING BECAUSE THOSE ESTABLISHED IN POWER PLACED THEMSELVES ABOVE THE RULES WHICH THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO ENFORCE. PAM AND ANNA MUST BE DEMODDED FOR THE MOD TEAM TO RESTORE ANY SEMBLANCE OF LEGITIMACY TO ITS NAME AND THE RULES WHICH IT GOVERNS.

F R E E | E P I C | M A F I A

over 8 years

WildWalrus says

THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN MODS AND THE COMMUNITY IS ONE BUILT UPON TRUST. - MUCH LIKE POLICE OFFICERS AND THE COMMUNITIES THEY ARE TASKED WITH KEEPING SAFE, THERE NEEDS TO BE A CERTAIN LEVEL OF MUTUAL TRUST BETWEEN THE TWO PARTIES.


So Sims, what do you think of this?
over 8 years

Sims says

moderators don't owe anything to people who are consistently toxic and unpleasant. they're volunteer moderators on an Internet website, not employees in a business, workers for the government, or any other analogy that would require them to "act professionally" to rude people


Jokeban wildwalrus please
over 8 years

Sims says

moderators don't owe anything to people who are consistently toxic and unpleasant. they're volunteer moderators on an Internet website, not employees in a business, workers for the government, or any other analogy that would require them to "act professionally" to rude people




KEEP CLINGING TO POWER AND AVOID ANSWERING THE ISSUES AT HAND.

KEEP TRYING TO PUT DOWN ANYONE WHO DARE STAND UP AGAINST YOU.
over 8 years
moderators don't owe anything to people who are consistently toxic and unpleasant. they're volunteer moderators on an Internet website, not employees in a business, workers for the government, or any other analogy that would require them to "act professionally" to rude people
over 8 years
MOD LIFE MUST BE EASY WHEN YOU HAVE A BUNCH OF CLOWNS POSTING GARBAGE IN A SERIOUS THREAD.
over 8 years
WALRUS ASKED YOU NICELY TO STOP POSTING TROLLING MEMES IN HIS THREAD. YOU'RE JUST MAKING YOURSELF LOOK LIKE A JERK NOW.
deletedover 8 years
honestly i dont give a damn because i assume anybody who posts like a 56 year old grandmother has no valid points
over 8 years
ALSO ARIEL PUT THE ENTIRE POST INTO LOWERCASE ON PAGE 3, YOU KNOW IN CASE YOU WERE TRYING TO PRETEND YOU PUT EFFORT INTO THIS.
over 8 years

harodihg says


WildWalrus says


Giga13 says

Your violation was overturned and your issue was addressed in your previous thread, what else would you like exactly?



FROM PAGE 2:

Germatron says

everyone in this thread is wrong

yes, the violation was removed, but pam/aj more than kind of messed up. this is borderline mod abuse. so acting like a thread is completely unwarranted because the vio no longer exists, kind of ignores the point of the thread





ALTHOUGH IN WALRUS' OPINION COLLUDING TO GIVE SOMEONE A VIOLATION IS TRANSCENDS A SIMPLE ONE TIME ABUSE OF MOD POWER.

IF YOU WERE UNJUSTLY ARRESTED AND CONVICTED DUE TO TWO POLICE OFFICERS COLLUDING AND FABRICATING EVIDENCE AND THE POLICE CHIEF SAYS "YOU WERE WRONGLY ARRESTED AND WE FOUND THAT THE TWO OFFICERS WERE FABRICATING EVIDENCE SO WE ARE LETTING YOU GO", AND WHEN YOU INQUIRE AS TO THE PUNISHMENT OF THE OFFICERS THE POLICE CHIEF SAYS "THERE IS NO PUNISHMENT, YOU WERE LET GO SO EVERYTHING IS OKAY NOW RIGHT?", DO YOU HONESTLY BELIEVE THE SITUATION ITSELF IS RECTIFIED?

IF YOU READ THE OP THE PROBLEMS WITH THE STANDARD YOU ARE SUPPORTING ARE CLEARLY HIGHLIGHTED.







EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT BEARS CAN'T READ.
over 8 years

Giga13 says


D3xTr0m3th0rph4n says

It would be nice if the mod team was more professional, and would stop circle jerking. The things that pisses me off about the mods is the ammount of trolling they do on the fourms.


This is one of my biggest pet peeves as a moderator or a non-moderator and while joking once in a while is alright, we're trying to make sure that each issue gets addressed seriously at some point first and foremost.



IF YOU WANT TO STOP LOOKING LIKE A JOKE, THEN STOP TREATING SERIOUS COMMUNITY ISSUES LIKE A JOKE.
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fam let off the shift key
over 8 years

Giga13 says

Your violation was overturned and your issue was addressed in your previous thread, what else would you like exactly?



FROM PAGE 2:

Germatron says

everyone in this thread is wrong

yes, the violation was removed, but pam/aj more than kind of messed up. this is borderline mod abuse. so acting like a thread is completely unwarranted because the vio no longer exists, kind of ignores the point of the thread





ALTHOUGH IN WALRUS' OPINION COLLUDING TO GIVE SOMEONE A VIOLATION IS TRANSCENDS A SIMPLE ONE TIME ABUSE OF MOD POWER.

IF YOU WERE UNJUSTLY ARRESTED AND CONVICTED DUE TO TWO POLICE OFFICERS COLLUDING AND FABRICATING EVIDENCE AND THE POLICE CHIEF SAYS "YOU WERE WRONGLY ARRESTED AND WE FOUND THAT THE TWO OFFICERS WERE FABRICATING EVIDENCE SO WE ARE LETTING YOU GO", AND WHEN YOU INQUIRE AS TO THE PUNISHMENT OF THE OFFICERS THE POLICE CHIEF SAYS "THERE IS NO PUNISHMENT, YOU WERE LET GO SO EVERYTHING IS OKAY NOW RIGHT?", DO YOU HONESTLY BELIEVE THE SITUATION ITSELF IS RECTIFIED?

IF YOU READ THE OP THE PROBLEMS WITH THE STANDARD YOU ARE SUPPORTING ARE CLEARLY HIGHLIGHTED.
deletedover 8 years
can some de-capsify this because i feel like im being yelled at
over 8 years

Giga13 says


D3xTr0m3th0rph4n says

It would be nice if the mod team was more professional, and would stop circle jerking. The things that pisses me off about the mods is the ammount of trolling they do on the fourms.


This is one of my biggest pet peeves as a moderator or a non-moderator and while joking once in a while is alright, we're trying to make sure that each issue gets addressed seriously at some point first and foremost.


But lets just first post 2 pages of trolling cos we should appear unprofesional to everyone.
over 8 years

Giga13 says


D3xTr0m3th0rph4n says

It would be nice if the mod team was more professional, and would stop circle jerking. The things that pisses me off about the mods is the ammount of trolling they do on the fourms.


This is one of my biggest pet peeves as a moderator or a non-moderator and while joking once in a while is alright, we're trying to make sure that each issue gets addressed seriously at some point first and foremost.


ironically it's one of the complaints that bother me the most because i never really saw any of that other than slowbro (god rest his soul)
over 8 years

D3xTr0m3th0rph4n says

It would be nice if the mod team was more professional, and would stop circle jerking. The things that pisses me off about the mods is the ammount of trolling they do on the fourms.


This is one of my biggest pet peeves as a moderator or a non-moderator and while joking once in a while is alright, we're trying to make sure that each issue gets addressed seriously at some point first and foremost.
over 8 years
clearly he believes a punishment for the moderators is in order
over 8 years
Your violation was overturned and your issue was addressed in your previous thread, what else would you like exactly?
over 8 years
Btw I agree with what walrus said in this thread. I just dont like him cause he is annoying. But what he said about the mods is true.
over 8 years

D3xTr0m3th0rph4n says

It would be nice if the mod team was more professional, and would stop circle jerking. The things that pisses me off about the mods is the ammount of trolling they do on the fourms.


I think it's because a select few of them are scrambling to solve the issue in the mod forums/skype, but the rest are blissfully unaware so they take to the forums to troll because they legitimately think they can do no wrong.
over 8 years
every mod who will ban walrus has a beer on me
over 8 years
WE ARE BREAKING THE CONDITIONING

WALRUS 2016
over 8 years
It would be nice if the mod team was more professional, and would stop circle jerking. The things that pisses me off about the mods is the ammount of trolling they do on the fourms.
over 8 years
over 8 years