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PAM AND ANNAJANE SHOULD BE DEMODDED

over 8 years

PER INFORMATION FOUND IN THIS THREAD:
https://epicmafia.com/topic/76875

BEFORE WE BEGIN, WE MUST EXPLORE WHY THIS IS AN IMPORTANT ISSUE.

  1. THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN MODS AND THE COMMUNITY IS ONE BUILT UPON TRUST. - MUCH LIKE POLICE OFFICERS AND THE COMMUNITIES THEY ARE TASKED WITH KEEPING SAFE, THERE NEEDS TO BE A CERTAIN LEVEL OF MUTUAL TRUST BETWEEN THE TWO PARTIES.
  2. THE COMMUNITY IS HOSTILE TOWARDS THE MODS. TYING IN WITH #1, THE COMMUNITY IS LARGELY HOSTILE TOWARDS THE MOD TEAM AS A WHOLE. THIS IS MOSTLY DUE TO THE ABUSES OF THE PREVIOUS MOD TEAM, AND REFLECTS UNFAIRLY ON MOST OF THE CURRENT MODS AS A WHOLE. HOWEVER THIS SIMPLY UNDERLINES HOW IMPORTANT IT IS TO RE-ESTABLISH LOST TRUST.

  3. THE COMMUNITY RELIES ON MODERATORS TO BE IMPARTIAL, FAIR, AND TO UPHOLD THE RULES TO THE BEST OF THEIR ABILITIES. THIS IS ALREADY DIFFICULT TO DO WHEN YOU DON'T HAVE THE TRUST OF THE COMMUNITY. REGARDLESS, THE COMMUNITY RELIES ON THE MOD TEAM TO FACILITATE A POSITIVE ENVIRONMENT FOR ALL. THE REASON PEOPLE CHOOSE TO LEAVE COMMUNITIES IS WHEN THE PEOPLE TASKED WITH PROTECTING THOSE COMMUNITIES ARE THE ONES WHO MAKE IT TOXIC.

WE HAVE ALL SEEN THE RECENT BACKLASH AGAINST POLICE OFFICERS WHO ABUSE THEIR POWER BECAUSE THEY NEED NOT ANSWER FOR IT. THIS IS A STANDARD WE NEED TO AVOID.


SO WHY SHOULD WE DEMOD ANNAJANE AND SIMPLYPAM?
ASIDE FROM THE FACTS LINKED AT THE TOP OF THE OP, LET'S REVIEW THE FACTS.

  1. IT HAS BEEN CLEARLY ESTABLISHED BEYOND A SHADOW OF A DOUBT THAT ANNAJANE AND SIMPLY PAM HAVE BEEN CAUGHT ABUSING THEIR MOD POWER. HOWEVER, THIS ISN'T REASON ENOUGH TO DEMOD SOMEONE. SOMETIMES MODS MAKE MISTAKES, EVERYONE LOSES THEIR COOL AT ONE POINT OR ANOTHER. THEN WHY IS WALRUS ADVOCATING FOR THE DEMODDING OF THESE TWO CORRUPT MODS?

  2. ANNAJANE AND SIMPLYPAM HAVE BEEN CAUGHT COLLUDING TO GIVE VIOLATIONS TO PEOPLE THEY DON'T LIKE. - PROVED IN THE THREAD LINKED AT THE TOP. THIS IS EXTREMELY PROBLEMATIC, AS IT IS AKIN TO A POLICE OFFICER ARRESTING A PERSON THEY DON'T LIKE ON A BOGUS CHARGE, AND A JUDGE COLLUDING WITH THAT POLICE OFFICER TO GIVE THEM THAT VIOLATION. THIS IS DOWNRIGHT DISGUSTING; IT BETRAYS THE TRUST THE COMMUNITY HAS IN THE MOD TEAM, AND DESTROYS THE CREDIBILITY OF THE REPORTS THESE SPECIFIC MODERATORS HANDLE AND THE VERDICTS OF THE MODERATOR TEAM HANDLES IN GENERAL.

  3. WE NEED TO SET AN EXAMPLE AND A STANDARD. SIMPLY GIVING PAM AND ANNAJANE A SLAP ON THE WRIST SERVES ONLY TO FURTHER ALIENATE THE MOD TEAM FROM THE COMMUNITY. THE COMMUNITY NEEDS TO BE SENT A SIGNAL THAT THEY HAVE THE COMMUNITY'S BEST INTERESTS AT HEART, AND PEOPLE WHO THREATEN TO UNDERMINE THAT COMMUNITY WILL NOT BE TOLERATED. WORDS NEED TO BE BACKED BY ACTIONS.

  4. ALLOWING PAM AND ANNA TO WALK AWAY SCOTT FREE SETS A BAD PRECEDENT FOR WHAT IS ACCEPTABLE. EVEN IF THEY "GET A WARNING", THEY HAVEN'T SUFFERED ANY TANGIBLE CONSEQUENCES. THEY DON'T CARE, AND THEY GET THE SMUG SATISFACTION THAT THEY GOT TO ABUSE THEIR POWER ON SOMEONE THEY DIDN'T LIKE. FURTHERMORE, IF WALRUS HADN'T RAISED A CRAPSTORM, WE HAVE NO GUARANTEE THAT THEY WOULD HAVE EVEN BEEN CAUGHT. WE'VE SEEN COUNTLESS EXAMPLES OF MODS GETTING AWAY WITH ABUSING THEIR POWER IN THE PAST.

WE THE COMMUNITY SIMPLY CANNOT STAND FOR THIS TYPE OF ABUSE TO WALK AWAY SCOTT FREE. WE HAVE EMPIRICAL EXAMPLES OF COMMUNITIES DYING BECAUSE THOSE ESTABLISHED IN POWER PLACED THEMSELVES ABOVE THE RULES WHICH THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO ENFORCE. PAM AND ANNA MUST BE DEMODDED FOR THE MOD TEAM TO RESTORE ANY SEMBLANCE OF LEGITIMACY TO ITS NAME AND THE RULES WHICH IT GOVERNS.

F R E E | E P I C | M A F I A

over 8 years
WHAT IS THIS SORCERY?
over 8 years
we the community simply cannot stand for this type of abuse to walk away scott free. we have empirical examples of communities dying because those established in power placed themselves above the rules which they are supposed to enforce. pam and anna must be demodded for the mod team to restore any semblance of legitimacy to its name and the rules which it governs.
f r e e | e p i c | m a f i a
over 8 years
it has been clearly established beyond a shadow of a doubt that annajane and simply pam have been caught abusing their mod power. however, this isn't reason enough to demod someone. sometimes mods make mistakes, everyone loses their cool at one point or another. then why is walrus advocating for the demodding of these two corrupt mods?
annajane and simplypam have been caught colluding to give violations to people they don't like. - proved in the thread linked at the top. this is extremely problematic, as it is akin to a police officer arresting a person they don't like on a bogus charge, and a judge colluding with that police officer to give them that violation. this is downright disgusting; it betrays the trust the community has in the mod team, and destroys the credibility of the reports these specific moderators handle and the verdicts of the moderator team handles in general.

we need to set an example and a standard. simply giving pam and annajane a slap on the wrist serves only to further alienate the mod team from the community. the community needs to be sent a signal that they have the community's best interests at heart, and people who threaten to undermine that community will not be tolerated. words need to be backed by actions.
allowing pam and anna to walk away scott free sets a bad precedent for what is acceptable. even if they "get a warning", they haven't suffered any tangible consequences. they don't care, and they get the smug satisfaction that they got to abuse their power on someone they didn't like. furthermore, if walrus hadn't raised a crapstorm, we have no guarantee that they would have even been caught. we've seen countless examples of mods getting away with abusing their power in the past.
over 8 years
[TRANSLATION]
per information found in this thread:
https://epicmafia.com/topic/76875
before we begin, we must explore why this is an important issue.
the relationship between mods and the community is one built upon trust. - much like police officers and the communities they are tasked with keeping safe, there needs to be a certain level of mutual trust between the two parties.

the community is hostile towards the mods. tying in with #1, the community is largely hostile towards the mod team as a whole. this is mostly due to the abuses of the previous mod team, and reflects unfairly on most of the current mods as a whole. however this simply underlines how important it is to re-establish lost trust.

the community relies on moderators to be impartial, fair, and to uphold the rules to the best of their abilities. this is already difficult to do when you don't have the trust of the community. regardless, the community relies on the mod team to facilitate a positive environment for all. the reason people choose to leave communities is when the people tasked with protecting those communities are the ones who make it toxic.

we have all seen the recent backlash against police officers who abuse their power because they need not answer for it. this is a standard we need to avoid.

so why should we demod annajane and simplypam?
aside from the facts linked at the top of the op, let's review the facts.
over 8 years

itsmebrian says

It's the caps and the third person and the everything. If this post wasn't in all caps I feel like more people would take it seriously? well actually that's not true because nobody [mods included] takes any of these threads seriously even if they are intended to be




LAST TIME WALRUS MADE A POST THAT WASN'T IN ALL CAPS IT GOT CRAPPED ON AND A MOD TURNED THE WHOLE THING INTO A BIG JOKE.

IT'S EMPIRICALLY PROVEN THAT THIS IS THE ONLY AVENUE WALRUS CAN TAKE TO GET A RESPONSE.
over 8 years
It's the caps and the third person and the everything. If this post wasn't in all caps I feel like more people would take it seriously? well actually that's not true because nobody [mods included] takes any of these threads seriously even if they are intended to be
over 8 years

Golbolco says

I don't understand where the annoying factor of Walrus's posts comes from. Is it the caps? They're not that bothersome for me, personally.


IT IS LITERALLY 100% THE CAPS. PEOPLE IN THIS THREAD HAVE EXPLICITLY STATED THEY "CANNOT UNDERSTAND WHAT WALRUS IS SAYING DUE TO CAPS".
over 8 years
I don't understand where the annoying factor of Walrus's posts comes from. Is it the caps? They're not that bothersome for me, personally.
over 8 years

itsmebrian says

if you pretend that walrus isn't annoying his point is actually 100% valid and accurate about this not being okay


LITERALLY EVERY LEGITIMATE ISSUE WALRUS POSTS AND TALKS ABOUT IS 100% VALID AND 99% ACCURATE IF YOU CAN GET PAST HOW ANNOYING HE IS.
over 8 years
if you pretend that walrus isn't annoying his point is actually 100% valid and accurate about this not being okay
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roadman says

I've been trying to enjoy Hearthstone.


I think I found the problem
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#DeModLucid
over 8 years

roadman says

I'm just reading over everything now. I've been trying to enjoy Hearthstone. Relax, buddy.




THIS IS A VERY STRESSFUL SITUATION ROADMANS.
over 8 years
I'm just reading over everything now. I've been trying to enjoy Hearthstone. Relax, buddy.
over 8 years

roadman says

I think the only solution is to ban everyone posting in this thread.


SO MUCH FOR THE NEW AND IMPROVED MOD TEAM.

TREAT LEGITIMATE COMMUNITY ISSUES AS A JOKE AND THE COMMUNITY WILL TREAT YOU THE SAME.
over 8 years
I think the only solution is to ban everyone posting in this thread.
over 8 years

Calvin says

can someone get walrus a translator


The has a Domestic Walrus plugin, ask them.
over 8 years
um walrus it's my birthday for another 56 minutes, you can't neg my posts.
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can someone get walrus a translator
over 8 years
can lucid implement a filter that puts everything into lowercase
over 8 years
you can edit rules safely
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i think theyre unable to
over 8 years
they should really remove that mod abusr thing from the rules. people quoting it in seriousness must be a pain in the butt
over 8 years

Calvin says

why did they kick him out of their comp table and then force log him out


BECAUSE THEY FELT LIKE THEY CAN.

WHAT'S EVEN MORE DISTURBING IS THE TWO MODS IN THE GAME CONSPIRED TO GIVE WALRUS A VIOLATION AND THREATENED TO BAN HIM IN THE VIOLATION.

THIS IS THE SAME AS A COP GOING UP TO YOU AND SAYING "HEY I DONT LIKE YOU, I'M BUSTIN YOU" AND HIS FELLOW POLICE OFFICE CORROBORATING WHATEVER STORY HE MAKES UP AND YOU BEING SENT TO JAIL.

WHAT WALRUS IS SAYING IN THE OP IS THAT THESE TYPES OF MODERATORS - WHO WOULD ABUSE THEIR POWER WITHIN THE SYSTEM - NEED TO BE REMOVED.
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literally every single post this guy makes me instantly cringe