Most cis children, and most cis adults as well, have probably put absolutely zero thought into whether they might actually be another gender.

Felons says

pereking says

Felons says

pereking says

it doesn't really matter if the kid can or can't decide their gender, transgender people are real and exist. it is not up to the teacher to decide if the kid is transgendered or not and as long as the kid is serious about being addressed by the other gender the teacher should respect their wishes

but it's up to the parents to assign a gender to the kid?

it's up to the kid

so if the kid self identified as a pear would the teacher have to call the kid a pear?

otherkin is way different from gender identity.

( not to make a debate on that too, but they aren't comparable )

Think about it this way: At what age can you make the determination that you're not transgender? Most cis children, and most cis adults as well, have probably put absolutely zero thought into whether they might actually be another gender, whether their current gender is really the best thing for them, and whether they're really prepared to allow their body to continue irreversibly masculinizing or feminizing itself.

Trans people put a lot of thought into these questions - particularly a child precocious enough to be able to articulate what she's experiencing at such an early age.

So why exactly is it that we would put any more stock in how cis people feel about their genders, when trans people are the ones who've actually done their homework on it all?

Cis people just stumble into their genders, merely because being cis is common. They just happen to be right about their gender, not thanks to any effort on their part.


Why is it that we're so prepared to accept that all children are cis and straight by default, yet when a child declares they're trans or gay, this somehow requires some higher standard of proof? What makes you so sure any child knows they're cis or straight?

Letting yourself develop in a certain gendered way without social or medical changes is just as much of a choice as transitioning; it's not any less deserving of scrutiny as a decision merely because it's the default that happens without any conscious intervention.

Think about it this way: At what age can you make the determination that you're not transgender? Most cis children, and most cis adults as well, have probably put absolutely zero thought into whether they might actually be another gender, whether their current gender is really the best thing for them, and whether they're really prepared to allow their body to continue irreversibly masculinizing or feminizing itself.

Trans people put a lot of thought into these questions - particularly a child precocious enough to be able to articulate what she's experiencing at such an early age.

So why exactly is it that we would put any more stock in how cis people feel about their genders, when trans people are the ones who've actually done their homework on it all?

Cis people just stumble into their genders, merely because being cis is common. They just happen to be right about their gender, not thanks to any effort on their part.


Why is it that we're so prepared to accept that all children are cis and straight by default, yet when a child declares they're trans or gay, this somehow requires some higher standard of proof? What makes you so sure any child knows they're cis or straight?

Letting yourself develop in a certain gendered way without social or medical changes is just as much of a choice as transitioning; it's not any less deserving of scrutiny as a decision merely because it's the default that happens without any conscious intervention.

This type of sh** gets me angry I swear.. How do you expect a 6 year old to determine that they want a sex change... you really think a 6 year old is thinking about switching his/her sexuality??

I'm not saying its "wrong" to want to do that but the kid is SIX... let that sink in before you morons talk about equality and ignorance..

Edit: On top of that this kid is raised by two dads?... I'm sure they were influenced a lot by them which is why they (the kid) believes they want a sex change... not brainwashing or w.e but just influenced by their parents.. so they're not deciding this for themselves...

Also notice how I'm saying "kid" repeatedly.

Felons says

leo says

Felons says

If the same 6 year old kid went to school saying I hate black people you all would agree that it isn't the childs own opinion on their racism, instead it was something they most likely than not learned from their parents.

Much like this transgender identity. At the age of 6 you're incredibly impressionable, if your parents are telling you that you're an XYZ at the age of 6 you're going to believe you're an XYZ

hey, i used to play games believing i was an animal or a mermaid or some and my dad encouraged me to mess around.

but at school and after playtime? i knew i wasn't any of those. i knew i was a boy!

shut up, and nobody cares.

cool, were you 6? and based off your post on page 5 you do.

if you're going to claim me arguing on the basis you're being a transphobic jerk is me caring, then i guess you got me there.

and yes, i was around that age. kids have borders between imagination and reality.

pereking says

Felons says

pereking says

it doesn't really matter if the kid can or can't decide their gender, transgender people are real and exist. it is not up to the teacher to decide if the kid is transgendered or not and as long as the kid is serious about being addressed by the other gender the teacher should respect their wishes

but it's up to the parents to assign a gender to the kid?

it's up to the kid

so if the kid self identified as a pear would the teacher have to call the kid a pear?

pereking says

Felons says

pereking says

it doesn't really matter if the kid can or can't decide their gender, transgender people are real and exist. it is not up to the teacher to decide if the kid is transgendered or not and as long as the kid is serious about being addressed by the other gender the teacher should respect their wishes

but it's up to the parents to assign a gender to the kid?

it's up to the kid

so if the kid self identified as a pear would the teacher have to call the kid a pear?

pereking says

Felons says

pereking says

it doesn't really matter if the kid can or can't decide their gender, transgender people are real and exist. it is not up to the teacher to decide if the kid is transgendered or not and as long as the kid is serious about being addressed by the other gender the teacher should respect their wishes

but it's up to the parents to assign a gender to the kid?

it's up to the kid

so if the kid self identified as a pear would the teacher have to call the kid a pear?

Felons says

pereking says

it doesn't really matter if the kid can or can't decide their gender, transgender people are real and exist. it is not up to the teacher to decide if the kid is transgendered or not and as long as the kid is serious about being addressed by the other gender the teacher should respect their wishes

but it's up to the parents to assign a gender to the kid?

it's up to the kid

i feel like the people voting yes are trolling nvm how could u possible not let some1 identify how they want!!!

i feel like the people voting yes are trolling nvm how could u possible not let some1 identify how they want!!!

leo says

Felons says

If the same 6 year old kid went to school saying I hate black people you all would agree that it isn't the childs own opinion on their racism, instead it was something they most likely than not learned from their parents.

Much like this transgender identity. At the age of 6 you're incredibly impressionable, if your parents are telling you that you're an XYZ at the age of 6 you're going to believe you're an XYZ

hey, i used to play games believing i was an animal or a mermaid or some and my dad encouraged me to mess around.

but at school and after playtime? i knew i wasn't any of those. i knew i was a boy!

shut up, and nobody cares.

cool, were you 6? and based off your post on page 5 you do.

i feel like the people voting yes are trolling nvm how could u possible not let some1 identify how they want!!!

pereking says

it doesn't really matter if the kid can or can't decide their gender, transgender people are real and exist. it is not up to the teacher to decide if the kid is transgendered or not and as long as the kid is serious about being addressed by the other gender the teacher should respect their wishes

but it's up to the parents to assign a gender to the kid?

i feel like the people voting yes are trolling nvm how could u possible not let some1 identify how they want!!!

Felons says

If the same 6 year old kid went to school saying I hate black people you all would agree that it isn't the childs own opinion on their racism, instead it was something they most likely than not learned from their parents.

Much like this transgender identity. At the age of 6 you're incredibly impressionable, if your parents are telling you that you're an XYZ at the age of 6 you're going to believe you're an XYZ

hey, i used to play games believing i was an animal or a mermaid or some and my dad encouraged me to mess around.

but at school and after playtime? i knew i wasn't any of those. i knew i was a boy!

shut up, and nobody cares.

Felons says

If the same 6 year old kid went to school saying I hate black people you all would agree that it isn't the childs own opinion on their racism, instead it was something they most likely than not learned from their parents.

Much like this transgender identity. At the age of 6 you're incredibly impressionable, if your parents are telling you that you're an XYZ at the age of 6 you're going to believe you're an XYZ

so people won't be gay if parents tell them they're straight