Epicmafia

over 9 years

Gnar says

hey connor, why did you comp sds?????????/

why is this relevant? why are you bringing this up? that was years ago

deletedover 9 years

Gnar says

hey connor, why did you comp sds?????????/ it has the same payout? you are talking about the point payout, are you not? you said everything else should be thrown out the window. only the threshold is to be discussed.

He can't answer that, keep posting it so he gets more frustrated.

deletedover 9 years

Patrick says

A&D sucks as a setup but the playerbase sucks harder

how do we fix the playerbase? let's think objective

man i was wondering what this thread was missing. thanks for reminding me.

someone find Zovea.

runwithfire

over 9 years

y'all are in the wrong thread

deletedover 9 years

i almost mistook gnar's avatar as shieldbearer and got really excited but my eyes were deceiving me

deletedover 9 years

There are also A&D games I've played where it was a total blowout in town's favor when blue dies n1 and BP gets gunned. Does my anecdotal evidence negate yours?

deletedover 9 years

hey connor, why did you comp sds?????????/ it has the same payout? you are talking about the point payout, are you not? you said everything else should be thrown out the window. only the threshold is to be discussed.

PS: even if you flip scum every game on A&D you cant win a trophy because 1- less points per win, 2- you will be beaten by good town

people win points not because of luck. Only 5% is luck. rest is skill. Else people wont win, sides would win. all the time. Good people win in bad situations like doc save on sds with one maf blown up.

Hibiki

over 9 years

yes, if A&D was the only setup played for eternity, it would be an applicable fallacy, but it's not because it's only played for a single round

deletedover 9 years

https://epicmafia.com/topic/66391 what a wonderful, noble idea this deleted mafia player had. i should post his petition here, in this topic.

deletedover 9 years

Patrick says

A&D sucks as a setup but the playerbase sucks harder

how do we fix the playerbase? let's think objective

We can't. Stop trying. EM is what it is, like it or lump it.

deletedover 9 years

Hibiki says

dasracist says

Scum isn't really more likely to win in any given game of A&D based on just roles unless GS gets hooked

plenty of games are turbo'd into losses in A&D when a blue dies n1 and BP gets a gun

Because the clear or town sucked and deserved to lose. Problem exists between keyboard and chair, not with the setup. It's perfectly balanced mechanically.

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your defense is "like i said, x y and z".

Renaldo

over 9 years

AdrenalineMime says

weren't there a few variants of a&d that ended up being lopsided eventually? there's no point in "recalibrating" the winrate

there are, but none of them are as bad as A&D in terms of imbalance. Most aren't much better, but at least they're more palatable.

Togepi

over 9 years

Patrick says

A&D sucks as a setup but the playerbase sucks harder

how do we fix the playerbase? let's think objective

Stop playing.

deletedover 9 years

A&D sucks as a setup but the playerbase sucks harder

how do we fix the playerbase? let's think objective

Hibiki

over 9 years

Slow says

Hibiki says

Patrick says

connor i think A&D sucks but the reason most A&D games are lost is because the BP is bad which isn't really luck unless you're counting it in the sense of whoever rolls it

that's exactly the luck i'm talking about. the luck of rolling the side that is more likely to win, in a series of games

you're using a logical fallacy then.

i really am not, which, if you had read my posts, you'd see

deletedover 9 years

Slow says

Hibiki says

Patrick says

connor i think A&D sucks but the reason most A&D games are lost is because the BP is bad which isn't really luck unless you're counting it in the sense of whoever rolls it

that's exactly the luck i'm talking about. the luck of rolling the side that is more likely to win, in a series of games

you're using a logical fallacy then.

Pretty much.

AdrenalineMime

over 9 years

weren't there a few variants of a&d that ended up being lopsided eventually? there's no point in "recalibrating" the winrate

Hibiki

over 9 years

dasracist says

Scum isn't really more likely to win in any given game of A&D based on just roles unless GS gets hooked

plenty of games are turbo'd into losses in A&D when a blue dies n1 and BP gets a gun

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Hibiki says

Patrick says

connor i think A&D sucks but the reason most A&D games are lost is because the BP is bad which isn't really luck unless you're counting it in the sense of whoever rolls it

that's exactly the luck i'm talking about. the luck of rolling the side that is more likely to win, in a series of games

you're using a logical fallacy then.

Togepi

over 9 years

Patrick says

connor i think A&D sucks but the reason most A&D games are lost is because the BP is bad which isn't really luck unless you're counting it in the sense of whoever rolls it

Is that actually true now? Wouldn't it be the town being equally as bad?

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Hibiki says

Patrick says

connor i think A&D sucks but the reason most A&D games are lost is because the BP is bad which isn't really luck unless you're counting it in the sense of whoever rolls it

that's exactly the luck i'm talking about. the luck of rolling the side that is more likely to win, in a series of games

i guess blame the playerbase then?

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Scum isn't really more likely to win in any given game of A&D based on just roles unless GS gets hooked

Sims

over 9 years

helsinki says

this sucks, people think i'm Calvin so they don't plus my posts

people probably wouldn't plus your posts anyway

deletedover 9 years

The townsided threshold is far far far more important than the mafiasided threshold. Which is why many setups were decomped for breaking the former, and essentially zero for the latter.

The entire point of the scumsided threshold was actually because of a couple of heavily mafiasided Yakuza setups 4 years ago, which you probably don't even remember :).

if we're freeing A&D