the only time someone should be given a violation for shooting d1 is if they are blatantly playing against their wincondition. Period. End of Story.
deletedover 9 years
ah, instead of having the debate about whether someone trolled due to their lack of reads, we'll start having the debate about whether someone "hipfire violationed" due to their lack of reads
yeah, that's a paradigm shifter. we can't have that.
There's no reason to give hip firing special treatment in the rules and it will just increase the problem where more and more people will start debating whether it was a hipfire or not with their own definitions when it can perfectly be applied to the trolling rule.
surskit, how is the fact that towns are dumb sheep to current meta my problem. why am i the one getting a trolling violation for trying to change the meta to something better for town. Shouldn't every town who plays meta be given GT vios then, because that seems fairer to me than me getting a trolling vio
we're talking optimal play, not "sheriff is some non-thinking normie" play
deletedover 9 years
oh, wait, it's just one of those holier-than-thou steven posts where he goes on a diatribe about something everyone had already cleared up 10 pages ago and refuses to listen to whatever anyone else has to say because that'd take time away from admiring his own posts
steven is the equivalent of that smurf that's always staring into the mirror
??? they get two shots at possible autowin. your argument really sucks dude
if you hit right in PRs, you have to find the hooker anyway, because the PRs are out and the hooker has free reign.
if you hit non-hooker in blues with sheriff shot, PRs are not out and town have a more-than-0% chance at autowin from BS/mafia's night actions
if you hit hooker in blues with the sheriff shot, you just out PRs. if BS is cc'd, continue to lynch in blues, if cop is cc'd you go for the easiest read.
it depends on the sheriff. I think a strong town player would want to claim and lead a lynch d1.
deletedover 9 years
what makes it uniquely trolling? what makes it uniquely gamethrowing?
deletedover 9 years
I get the point about shooting in blues but nobody ever does. And when Sheriff does shoot and misses everyone freaks out and refuses to participate after the shot.
surskit, sheriff should shoot in blues. All you need is 1 or 2 strong TRs in blues and its an easy game. the current meta is so exploitable and pro-maf its ridiculous. as someone who loves playing town i'm trying to combat that.
also with re: to mods minding their own business, what i meant is they should ban cheaters and people legit gamethrowing. if you gave someone a trolling vio everytime they made someone mad in game you'd have so many trolling vios
deletedover 9 years
this is what happened the few times we were ever able to use voltron's a&d strategy, yeah
arguing that having prs claim d1 is counterintuitive though, because it only works when mafia get caught with their pants down and making a public argument in favor of it drastically decreases the chances that maf will be unaware that the strategy exists. kind of like when i realized that hooker should always claim watcher in lobl
Hipfiring is literally firing without any strategy/reads. If the person is believed to have either of those then it was not a hipfire, regardless of claims. The only question should be that: does the person claim to have had strategy/reads, and is it believable? Claims have nothing to do with whether a person is trolling. A troll could wait for them to claim then shoot the person they don't like as soon as the CC comes. Similarly a good player could identify mafia before they claim and shoot them.
deletedover 9 years
People are more comfortable with getting confirmed mafia in most games I've played. ;/
deletedover 9 years
if you lynch anyone but the hooker the optimal scumstrat is then to shoot the sheriff and hook randomly in the PR claims, which i guess has merit for town if your sheriff is bad
