but mafia don't know each other d1 so they can't plan. i tried this strat the other day having PRs claim, Nilla and Lawyer both cc'd cop day 1 and we had 3 cop claims and an auto 2 mafia.
deletedover 9 years
If you miss hooker, I'd say you need to get Nilla/Lawyer for a possible win like that Day 1 since obviously with PRs outing you'll need to shoot. Nilla would then cc and Sheriff will probably shoot in them, which is just unfavorable for town, and hardclaiming doesn't help either.
I don't think PRs should claim day 1. Sheriff should lead a LYNCH day 1. SCUMHUNT. There are 3 mafia. Since when do you need claims. Town PRs are worthless if they are OUTTED with law/hooker alive. Scumhunt find mafia, lynch mafia. That's the game. Also Day 1, mafia doesn't know partners so they will be more tentative potentially accidentally bus. If you lynch mafia d1, a BS save at any point in the game will give you 2 FREAKING MISLYNCHES.
If you NL day 1, mafia has 20% chance of hook bs and kill sheriff meaning 0 mislynches and 8 man mylo. If sheriff is vested and gets hit, mafia can still cc cop and keep hooker protected to carry the game. S
Lynching Day 1 = 1 possibly 2 MLs NLing Day 1 = 1 possibly 0 MLs
deletedover 9 years
it's an entirely separate argument, the only ones defending that vio are the ones asskissing the mods
it's not in the current meta, to be in the equation. when mafia do start CCing PR on day 1 claims, it gets a little bit more difficult. since the hooker isn't CCing, there's no reason to out anyone in the 3 PR claims. you just aim to shoot hooker anyway.
Arguing about optimal play is useless if the person holding the gun is believed to be doing what he thought was best at the time
deletedover 9 years
in which case all prs are outted before n2 and your doomsday scenario as mafia is being down a nilla, with 1 possible cop guilty on the map, and suddenly your optimal play is to hookkill bs and hope cop doesnt hit lawyer while also being aware that cop hitting lawyer is totally fine, because a nilla shot d1 followed by a confirmed guilty d2 doesnt allow the chance for anyone to interact with the hooker at any point
deletedover 9 years
if you're trying to shift town meta then scum meta will adapt, you'll get a few cheesy wins if it works and then nilla will be claiming pr d1 of every game
deletedover 9 years
Nilla would cc and sheriff would probably shoot in prs then
the optimal maf strat is to hook one PR and kill the other, 50/50 chance of neutralising them and 50/50 chance that town can lynch hooker for autowin, again
even then, the cop is super weak when you NL because of the lawyer + cop cc. so i don't really get why you defend NLing
deletedover 9 years
then the logical solution is for hipfiring to be its own specific violation
deletedover 9 years
The only to win day 1 with that strat is by shooting/lynching Hooker. Otherwise they'll just hook/kill both prs
deletedover 9 years
which you have a 20% shot to do the first time and a 25% shot to do with the lynch if you miss, and that's assuming the nilla has cced pr and isnt in the shot/lynch pool
this isn't like the a&d "prs claim as pr" strategy in which the game tilts heavily in town's favor just due to chance that the bp could be hooked or shot. this one's suboptimal
-Firing at any point of the game just because, with no strategy whatsoever, possibly because you don't like someone in the table, not caring what alignment they flip: AKA firing without reads
What trolling isn't
-Shooting someone before they claim if you think they are mafia -Shooting someone before they give X amount of lines if you think they are mafia
If you think someone is mafia, you have all the right to shoot them whenever you want. One could easily argue that the more time they are alive both allows them to disrupt towns scum reads as well as possibly out PRs, and by shooting them early it makes it easier for the scum to be taken by surprise and enter panic mode, which then facilitates reads.
Even if the person hasn't said a word, say they vote you in the start of the game and you think they are softing cop with guilty to out cop, then that's good enough for me. Or even if it's just that they said "ok" very quickly in the day, I don't really care. If the mod doing the report thinks that, no matter how odd the strategy, that they had one, then it's fine. If the mod thinks they are BSing when they say they had reads/strategy, then slap them with the trolling vio, but don't give someone trolling because you think that they shouldn't have shot that early IF you believe they did think that for their own reasons.
1. the whole point is that hitting the hooker is undeniable autowin with either chance. the worst case scenario (outside of a loss) is hitting something like nilla 2. once the sheriff has shot, the bs has no reason to vest sheriff. they vest cop. hooking cop means cop has a vest and town has another chance at autowin
his view was that it was unfair to suspend people for a full day for a hipfire / shooting without claims, which as seen here could be done while playing towards a win con.
deletedover 9 years
so then you've got a 50% chance of getting a single cop report and you're immediately at mylo, assuming bs even vests correctly in the first place
if you don't know who he is across different accounts, then that doesn't really matter much.
I don't like the vio either, I'm just saying there are ways to go about doing what he wants to do without putting himself in a situation to receive a violation.
deletedover 9 years
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