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Blacklist Fancy Pants and Classic

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THE TITLE IS WRONG AND I CANT EDIT IT. IM ASKING FOR PROMOTING OTHER SETUPS IN REDHEARTS, JUST SO FP/CLASSIC AREN'T THE MOST PLAYED SETUPS AS THEY PROMOTE LAZY MAFIA.

Reasons why they should NOT BE THE DEFAULT SETUP OF MAIN LOBBY:

  • promote NLing D1 for insta lylo
  • promote following clears mindlessly
  • are overly reliant on mechanics instead of on actual scumhunting
  • are extremely luck based and promote passive town play which leads to all other setups have higher maf win ratios
  • coinflips are bad
  • promote CC fights instead of actual behaviour reading
  • reliance on swing elements that make the whole game a farce (FP in particular)
  • inflate bad players' win ratios making them think they are better than they really are
Which would be a better default setup for Main?
8
BV
4
VDLI
4
O2R
3
LobL
1
STBS
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I mean really, if you wanted to be ideal, you'd split the 20 hearts per day that Training gets into 10 Red and 10 Featured. But as Lucid isn't around, it won't happen.
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something with a dep and a crier

if you wanna go that route do cry n spy or something
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TweIve says

A good start would be for the admins to stop featuring god awful setups.


It was implemented to help newer players get into harder setups, after all
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im not clicking that link, tell me what it is
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what the bloody hell is that setup
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i hate mika
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ok lets play a different setup lets see how it goes: https://epicmafia.com/game/3730372
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itg321 says

When I say default I refer to the fact that anytime I open main lobby there are 3 FP/Classic games that fill instantly while I try to play a different setup that takes 15+ minutes to fill.


OK. Let's make them not-default-setup from now on.

Done.
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itg321 says

When I say default I refer to the fact that anytime I open main lobby there are 3 FP/Classic games that fill instantly while I try to play a different setup that takes 15+ minutes to fill.


So, you suggest we actually just ban the people who play FP, so they don't create the games?

A radical approach that differs to the usual suggestion, I shall have to consider this option carefully.
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thats not default thats what people want to play by going to find setup and making it
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A good start would be for the admins to stop featuring god awful setups.
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When I say default I refer to the fact that anytime I open main lobby there are 3 FP/Classic games that fill instantly while I try to play a different setup that takes 15+ minutes to fill.
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Also, new players aren't what bog games of FP down, that's lazy vets.

Lobby split isn't happening. Ever. Lucid explicitly stated as such. It also wouldn't really fix the issue, comp was dying due to the split as it was.
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Start playing other setups to encourage people to try them. Mods should give incentives AND disincentives from playing the same setup multiple times.


The featured setup is a good idea.
Double points for certain setups that cycle through every round.
A limit of x number of plays for a certain setup in Red hearts (this isnt a problem in Gold hearts since u can only play 5 a day anyway)
Perhaps, because of the way the community is setup, make players cycle through different setups everyday.
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lashka i s2g
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Fancy Pants is a fun, thought-inducing setup that trained me very well for my recent trophies.
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itg321 says

I agree, Smorlicious, Im not asking FP/Classic to be blacklisted anymore. I ask that it not be the default setups that promote unhealthy play patterns that prevent players from joining comp games.


ITG, tell me what default setup is, please.

<3 Harunan
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itg321 says

I agree, Smorlicious, Im not asking FP/Classic to be blacklisted anymore. I ask that it not be the default setups that promote unhealthy play patterns that prevent players from joining comp games.


theyre not even "default setups." there is no default setup. theres featured and stickied and in neither of these lie the setups youre talking about so what the hell are you going on about.
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also ranked fp/classic in no way harms players who are doing comp and if people want to try comp thats why we are here to help them ^_^
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itg321 says

I agree, Smorlicious, Im not asking FP/Classic to be blacklisted anymore. I ask that it not be the default setups that promote unhealthy play patterns that prevent players from joining comp games.


How would you suggest we promote other set ups?
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Blacklisting fancy pants isn't the solution and (although there's a way it could happen) would probably just create horrid drama. I'd like to clear something up though; games of FP has the same issue as Reverse where a lot of the time you're /not actually required to do anything/. There's very little to work with and thus not much scumhunting in the setup.
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no. they are. they are really flawed.
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TweIve says


Dixeyy says

BTW, comp Fancy Pants and see what happens, I'm curious

probably a tone of cheaters, though


Classic was comped a little over a year ago. several cheaters got busted, a decently bad player trophied. I played in some of the most stupid games of mafia to ever grace this site. Stacked games of Classic are incredibly unenjoyable.


I remember that round. Hilarious it was. Thanks for the reminder. :D
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Hibiki says

smor, you might be right about some things but FP/CM are flawed fundamentally and that doesn't stop being true because you say it does lol


They're not as flawed as people say. They are the original mafia games ever created. New players just bog the games down.
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I agree, Smorlicious, Im not asking FP/Classic to be blacklisted anymore. I ask that it not be the default setups that promote unhealthy play patterns that prevent players from joining comp games.