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Blacklist Fancy Pants and Classic

itg321over 11 years ago

THE TITLE IS WRONG AND I CANT EDIT IT. IM ASKING FOR PROMOTING OTHER SETUPS IN REDHEARTS, JUST SO FP/CLASSIC AREN'T THE MOST PLAYED SETUPS AS THEY PROMOTE LAZY MAFIA.

Reasons why they should NOT BE THE DEFAULT SETUP OF MAIN LOBBY:

  • promote NLing D1 for insta lylo
  • promote following clears mindlessly
  • are overly reliant on mechanics instead of on actual scumhunting
  • are extremely luck based and promote passive town play which leads to all other setups have higher maf win ratios
  • coinflips are bad
  • promote CC fights instead of actual behaviour reading
  • reliance on swing elements that make the whole game a farce (FP in particular)
  • inflate bad players' win ratios making them think they are better than they really are
Petition
Poll
Which would be a better default setup for Main?
BV40%8
VDLI20%4
O2R20%4
LobL15%3
STBS5%1
20 votes
deleteddeletedover 11 years ago
Lashka
Also, I suggested what Retti is suggesting about 2-3 years ago, hah. It won't happen.
that's because we need a dedicated coder for when lucid isn't around because he treats this website like a step-son that he never bothers to visit anymore
xxeroxover 11 years ago
pereking
From the survey we did I gather that the main reason new players don't start playing more complicated setups is that no one hosts them as red heart games, and they are too intimidated to join competitive games. Really the only two ways I can think of to change that would be an incentive to play competitive setups as red hearts (featured setups) and people regularly hosting competitive setups as red heart games to help new players. I don't really think blacklisting FP or classic would help solve the problem.

Also what retti said.
People are intimidated in Gold heart games, because they are forced to think. THE WHOLE POINT OF GOLD GAMES IS TO MAKE PEOPLE ACTUALLY PLAY. I have been in red heart games, and all suck.
deleteddeletedover 11 years ago
Retti
i think that banning setups isn't the solution, but instead epicmafia needs a proper tutorial/system that teaches new players.

something as simple as this encoded when you first sign up:
http://cataldo.freeshell.org/mafia/mafiascum04.swf
Is that inspired by something a good mommy would hang on the refrigerator?
deleteddeletedover 11 years ago
@xxerox lobby splitting wont help
deleteddeletedover 11 years ago
Also, I suggested what Retti is suggesting about 2-3 years ago, hah. It won't happen.
Hibikiover 11 years ago
1. feature O2R permanently
2. that's it. you've done all you can
deleteddeletedover 11 years ago
I've regularly hosted harder setups but have given up after no one joining for a long time
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deleteddeletedover 11 years ago
pereking
From the survey we did I gather that the main reason new players don't start playing more complicated setups is that no one hosts them as red heart games, and they are too intimidated to join competitive games. Really the only two ways I can think of to change that would be an incentive to play competitive setups as red hearts (featured setups) and people regularly hosting competitive setups as red heart games to help new players. I don't really think blacklisting FP or classic would help solve the problem.
Lashka
I mean really, if you wanted to be ideal, you'd split the 20 hearts per day that Training gets into 10 Red and 10 Featured. But as Lucid isn't around, it won't happen.
Great minds think alike, bby.
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xxeroxover 11 years ago
Retti
i think that banning setups isn't the solution, but instead epicmafia needs a proper tutorial/system that teaches new players.

something as simple as this encoded when you first sign up:
http://cataldo.freeshell.org/mafia/mafiascum04.swf
I dont think anyone will go to make a tutorial that no one will see...

But here is what we should do. Not ban them but move them to a custom loby. A different lobby called : Simple Loby(or other name). Where only those simple setups are played.
perekingover 11 years agoedited
From the survey we did I gather that the main reason new players don't start playing more complicated setups is that no one hosts them as red heart games, and they are too intimidated to join competitive games. Really the only two ways I can think of to change that would be an incentive to play competitive setups as red hearts (featured setups) and people regularly hosting competitive setups as red heart games to help new players. I don't really think blacklisting FP or classic would help solve the problem.

Also what retti said.
deleteddeletedover 11 years ago
i think that banning setups isn't the solution, but instead epicmafia needs a proper tutorial/system that teaches new players.

something as simple as this encoded when you first sign up:
http://cataldo.freeshell.org/mafia/mafiascum04.swf
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deleteddeletedover 11 years ago
FP >>>>> FT3
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deleteddeletedover 11 years ago
When Classic was blacklisted, they defaulted to other bad setups. They aren't going to suddenly play Scumhunting setups for no reason at all.
deleteddeletedover 11 years ago
lol 90% scum win setups are fun
deleteddeletedover 11 years ago
AregVrt
you know FP is a tool to teach new players stuff right? So no point of it being ranked, since noobs come to play ranked suicide and ruin the FP game, don't know the strat etc. So FP would be better unranked, to train new players.

Conclusion. Blacklist Fancy Pants. See how it turns out. Then unblacklist or keep it like that, depends.
FP teaches absolutely nothing besides mechanics, and mafia is a much more taxing game beyond following PRs.
itg321over 11 years ago
You're right twelve that was a bad setup to test but our point was correct.

Anyone can try/play mafia given the chance to do so and I would take 10 of those games anyday over mindlessly NLing everyday and insta lylos
deleteddeletedover 11 years ago
if we banned FP people would just default to another horrible training setup like ft3
TweIveover 11 years ago
That setup should never/will never be played red heart. People will shoot as dep every game and it'll lead to that scenario. Every time.
itg321over 11 years ago
Ok am making a thread to post non FP/Classic games people can try
Sonrioover 11 years ago
I was voted after being the tr of everyone in that game wtf
ENJOYURLOSSover 11 years ago
I support this movement.
deleteddeletedover 11 years ago
Hibiki
why is lucid so absent anyway
hes a doctor
deleteddeletedover 11 years ago
Lashka
I mean really, if you wanted to be ideal, you'd split the 20 hearts per day that Training gets into 10 Red and 10 Featured. But as Lucid isn't around, it won't happen.
good idea
deleteddeletedover 11 years ago
Life
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Hibikiover 11 years ago
why is lucid so absent anyway