Epicmafia

Blacklist Fancy Pants and Classic

almost 10 years

THE TITLE IS WRONG AND I CANT EDIT IT. IM ASKING FOR PROMOTING OTHER SETUPS IN REDHEARTS, JUST SO FP/CLASSIC AREN'T THE MOST PLAYED SETUPS AS THEY PROMOTE LAZY MAFIA.

Reasons why they should NOT BE THE DEFAULT SETUP OF MAIN LOBBY:

promote NLing D1 for insta lylo
promote following clears mindlessly
are overly reliant on mechanics instead of on actual scumhunting
are extremely luck based and promote passive town play which leads to all other setups have higher maf win ratios
coinflips are bad
promote CC fights instead of actual behaviour reading
reliance on swing elements that make the whole game a farce (FP in particular)
inflate bad players' win ratios making them think they are better than they really are

Do it.

10 signed

Help improve Main Lobby.

deletedalmost 10 years

Lashka says

Also, I suggested what Retti is suggesting about 2-3 years ago, hah. It won't happen.

that's because we need a dedicated coder for when lucid isn't around because he treats this website like a step-son that he never bothers to visit anymore

xxerox

almost 10 years

pereking says

From the survey we did I gather that the main reason new players don't start playing more complicated setups is that no one hosts them as red heart games, and they are too intimidated to join competitive games. Really the only two ways I can think of to change that would be an incentive to play competitive setups as red hearts (featured setups) and people regularly hosting competitive setups as red heart games to help new players. I don't really think blacklisting FP or classic would help solve the problem.

Also what retti said.

People are intimidated in Gold heart games, because they are forced to think. THE WHOLE POINT OF GOLD GAMES IS TO MAKE PEOPLE ACTUALLY PLAY. I have been in red heart games, and all suck.

deletedalmost 10 years

Retti says

i think that banning setups isn't the solution, but instead epicmafia needs a proper tutorial/system that teaches new players.

something as simple as this encoded when you first sign up:
http://cataldo.freeshell.org/mafia/mafiascum04.swf

Is that inspired by something a good mommy would hang on the refrigerator?

deletedalmost 10 years

@xxerox lobby splitting wont help

deletedalmost 10 years

Also, I suggested what Retti is suggesting about 2-3 years ago, hah. It won't happen.

Hibiki

almost 10 years

1. feature O2R permanently
2. that's it. you've done all you can

deletedalmost 10 years

I've regularly hosted harder setups but have given up after no one joining for a long time

deletedalmost 10 years

pereking says

From the survey we did I gather that the main reason new players don't start playing more complicated setups is that no one hosts them as red heart games, and they are too intimidated to join competitive games. Really the only two ways I can think of to change that would be an incentive to play competitive setups as red hearts (featured setups) and people regularly hosting competitive setups as red heart games to help new players. I don't really think blacklisting FP or classic would help solve the problem.

Lashka says

I mean really, if you wanted to be ideal, you'd split the 20 hearts per day that Training gets into 10 Red and 10 Featured. But as Lucid isn't around, it won't happen.

Great minds think alike, bby.

xxerox

almost 10 years

Retti says

i think that banning setups isn't the solution, but instead epicmafia needs a proper tutorial/system that teaches new players.

something as simple as this encoded when you first sign up:
http://cataldo.freeshell.org/mafia/mafiascum04.swf

I dont think anyone will go to make a tutorial that no one will see...

But here is what we should do. Not ban them but move them to a custom loby. A different lobby called : Simple Loby(or other name). Where only those simple setups are played.

pereking

almost 10 years

From the survey we did I gather that the main reason new players don't start playing more complicated setups is that no one hosts them as red heart games, and they are too intimidated to join competitive games. Really the only two ways I can think of to change that would be an incentive to play competitive setups as red hearts (featured setups) and people regularly hosting competitive setups as red heart games to help new players. I don't really think blacklisting FP or classic would help solve the problem.

Also what retti said.

deletedalmost 10 years

i think that banning setups isn't the solution, but instead epicmafia needs a proper tutorial/system that teaches new players.

something as simple as this encoded when you first sign up:
http://cataldo.freeshell.org/mafia/mafiascum04.swf

deletedalmost 10 years

FP >>>>> FT3

deletedalmost 10 years

When Classic was blacklisted, they defaulted to other bad setups. They aren't going to suddenly play Scumhunting setups for no reason at all.

deletedalmost 10 years

lol 90% scum win setups are fun

deletedalmost 10 years

AregVrt says

you know FP is a tool to teach new players stuff right? So no point of it being ranked, since noobs come to play ranked suicide and ruin the FP game, don't know the strat etc. So FP would be better unranked, to train new players.

Conclusion. Blacklist Fancy Pants. See how it turns out. Then unblacklist or keep it like that, depends.

FP teaches absolutely nothing besides mechanics, and mafia is a much more taxing game beyond following PRs.

itg321

almost 10 years

You're right twelve that was a bad setup to test but our point was correct.

Anyone can try/play mafia given the chance to do so and I would take 10 of those games anyday over mindlessly NLing everyday and insta lylos

deletedalmost 10 years

if we banned FP people would just default to another horrible training setup like ft3

TweIve

almost 10 years

That setup should never/will never be played red heart. People will shoot as dep every game and it'll lead to that scenario. Every time.

itg321

almost 10 years

Ok am making a thread to post non FP/Classic games people can try

Sonrio

almost 10 years

I was voted after being the tr of everyone in that game wtf

ENJOYURLOSS

almost 10 years

I support this movement.

deletedalmost 10 years

Hibiki says

why is lucid so absent anyway

hes a doctor

deletedalmost 10 years

Lashka says

I mean really, if you wanted to be ideal, you'd split the 20 hearts per day that Training gets into 10 Red and 10 Featured. But as Lucid isn't around, it won't happen.

good idea

deletedalmost 10 years

Life

Hibiki

almost 10 years

why is lucid so absent anyway