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ban guns from competitive games

deletedover 10 years

people are using the same mentality for shooting a gun as lynching, it's absolutely impossible to make a competitively viable setup with guns, they promote trolling and gamethrowing, the power to instantly remove one person from the game is overbearing and this community can't handle it. furthermore, remove deputy, sniper and gunsmith from competitive lobby and training lobby. part of the problem is guns cause games to become trollish, fast-paced and lower effort which has leaked onto other games, guns probably should be banned from competitive lobby yes, guns are slowly killing competitive lobby. and by slowly, i mean someone get nikki on the phone and tell him to ban guns from competitive lobby. guns are becoming the new lynch, that'st he problem with most new setups. lynching is only ever for lylos now, and equivalent to set in stone absolutes, rather than placeholders for FOSes and reactions. it also encourages a chain of command that makes reading harder, hence why most gun setups end up being scumsided. not only do you run the risk of a *** pr, you also lose any valuable voting process and instead get SHOOT KYLE LOL a bunch. by replacing lynching for a ML with guns, you effectively neuter most competent setups and ruin any form of methodical strategy that could be employed.

guns shouldnt be in comp lobby.. plain and simple, they are either game breaking for town and make easy wins out of nothing or they give mafia a free win because the person with gun shoots. also , theres an entire rule dedicated to hipfiring with guns. guns give people an excuse to grudge lynch people without being able to be opposed. if youre pr with gun you have full control no matter how much town objects, which is just silly.

setup the best setup is what more setups should look like. both PRs shoudl optimally hide instead of claiming , PR claim d1 is the only bad thing about VDLI. if one of the power roles was squishy instead of hard to kill (doc is "squishy, bp is "hard to kill", etc") then it would be great , imo.

and i remember when people actually LIKED playing those scumhunt based setups,. they preferred it to gimmick ones. regardless of whether anyone thinks overall play is worse or better, the attitude people have towards scumhunt setups or scumhunting in general is worse now, which makes overall play worse as a result.

deletedover 10 years
i don't know how you can like pranay as a person. he's so abrasive and unkind and bad at javamafia.
deletedover 10 years
why did you inject with a non-germane question, then?
Clair
over 10 years
that's not what i'm doing, shivv
deletedover 10 years
that's literally the worst thing one can morph into.
deletedover 10 years
connor's morphed into a pranay suck-up.
deletedover 10 years
Except Happeh
deletedover 10 years
no one here is appealing to the moderators.
deletedover 10 years
whoc ares if it's in the job desc or not.
deletedover 10 years
i want the administrator to partake in the amelioration of competitive mafia.
Hibiki
over 10 years
shivv, please outline the part of the moderator job description that describes their requirement to keep game mechanics from lowering quality of play?
deletedover 10 years
i've owned pranay at least 20 times in my life.
deletedover 10 years
Giga
over 10 years
back to back trophies = bad at mafia

ok
pranay7744
over 10 years
shivv is bad too. i participate well even when i am not empowered in the game. giga is bad at mafia. bear does not understand the word skill
deletedover 10 years
yeah, imagine playing an entire round with only d1 mylos. themed rounds are anti-fun.
Giga
over 10 years
Again I'll say: themed rounds are a bad idea because almost nobody will run in the rounds with *** themes
deletedover 10 years
guns offer no different skillset. shooting is quicker lynching that you can hammer without a majority. gunning your townread in lylo is basically giving him hammer. you can do that already in lylo.
deletedover 10 years
ban guns from competitive games they have no place.
deletedover 10 years
guns have been instrumental in the demise in the quality of game-play since they: (1) needlessly further empower a clear reducing the requirement of participation by other roles which, by extension, encourages apathy and lackluster participation; (2) stifles the reads that can be elicited from a unanimous lynch and (3) just make the games infinitely more toxic as the entirety of the game revolves around appealing to the player with the gun.
pranay7744
over 10 years
do not thank kyle's thread at all. he is just mad someone shot him in a game.
Hibiki
over 10 years
why do we cate what's comped? surely if players like what gets comped, they will play it?
thebrontosaurus
over 10 years
Let's do a poll and get a conensus and keep discussion on it going for a few days, and see where it gets us. We got to this point thanks to kyle's thread, so maybe we can actually make something of this.
pranay7744
over 10 years
implement the themes. even i dont want guns every round. but banning anything is the worst idea. if you ban it i will want it every damn game
thebrontosaurus
over 10 years
Yeah, these themes are quite a bit different from special rounds from my understanding. These aren't really as restrictive and more or less encourage diversity.

Special rounds involved using weird roles and stuff like that right? This is more about structure and style of setups, which is a lot broader.
pranay7744
over 10 years
there was only one special round. this theme structure has no special rounds. special round was based on roles. this is not even close to the special round