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ban guns from competitive games

deletedalmost 11 years

people are using the same mentality for shooting a gun as lynching, it's absolutely impossible to make a competitively viable setup with guns, they promote trolling and gamethrowing, the power to instantly remove one person from the game is overbearing and this community can't handle it. furthermore, remove deputy, sniper and gunsmith from competitive lobby and training lobby. part of the problem is guns cause games to become trollish, fast-paced and lower effort which has leaked onto other games, guns probably should be banned from competitive lobby yes, guns are slowly killing competitive lobby. and by slowly, i mean someone get nikki on the phone and tell him to ban guns from competitive lobby. guns are becoming the new lynch, that'st he problem with most new setups. lynching is only ever for lylos now, and equivalent to set in stone absolutes, rather than placeholders for FOSes and reactions. it also encourages a chain of command that makes reading harder, hence why most gun setups end up being scumsided. not only do you run the risk of a *** pr, you also lose any valuable voting process and instead get SHOOT KYLE LOL a bunch. by replacing lynching for a ML with guns, you effectively neuter most competent setups and ruin any form of methodical strategy that could be employed.

guns shouldnt be in comp lobby.. plain and simple, they are either game breaking for town and make easy wins out of nothing or they give mafia a free win because the person with gun shoots. also , theres an entire rule dedicated to hipfiring with guns. guns give people an excuse to grudge lynch people without being able to be opposed. if youre pr with gun you have full control no matter how much town objects, which is just silly.

setup the best setup is what more setups should look like. both PRs shoudl optimally hide instead of claiming , PR claim d1 is the only bad thing about VDLI. if one of the power roles was squishy instead of hard to kill (doc is "squishy, bp is "hard to kill", etc") then it would be great , imo.

and i remember when people actually LIKED playing those scumhunt based setups,. they preferred it to gimmick ones. regardless of whether anyone thinks overall play is worse or better, the attitude people have towards scumhunt setups or scumhunting in general is worse now, which makes overall play worse as a result.

deletedalmost 11 years
i feel slammed.
Hibiki
almost 11 years
i don't argue that it won't be misplayed. this is just something i wanted to try
Peta
almost 11 years
Join this game https://epicmafia.com/game/3176964
Peta
almost 11 years
OK, have fun when 90% of players who roll sheriff are idiot douchers who are rabid with their shot.
Hibiki
almost 11 years

Peta says

If you want to see a great balanced setup chock-full of real scum hunting then look no further: https://epicmafia.com/setup/504022


holy *** i remember this. and also think it is brilliant
Hibiki
almost 11 years

Peta says


Happeh says

https://epicmafia.com/setup/1072889


That setup is a bad rip-off of Jack's.


this is my starting point. these are the criteria i am trying to follow:

1. the sheriff must be punished for revealing himself. that punishment is a following night kill from the lack of protective roles
2. the mafia must have reason to kill the sheriff after they've shot. there's no point in hiding as sheriff because mafia will try to find the cop instead, so investigative roles are out.
3. the sheriff must not be required to use their gun as part of optimal play, so the gun must not act as or give town a mislynch
Peta
almost 11 years
If you want to see a great balanced setup chock-full of real scum hunting then look no further: https://epicmafia.com/setup/504022
deletedalmost 11 years
this is more like a self-burial rather than a self-immolation in that the body structure is still intact.
Peta
almost 11 years

Happeh says

https://epicmafia.com/setup/1072889


That setup is a bad rip-off of Jack's.
deletedalmost 11 years
damn ... i guess it does nothing but remove my name from the creator heading.
Hibiki
almost 11 years
shivv, you realise the setup doesn't disappear, right? it just removes your name from it
Peta
almost 11 years
I'd delete Armed & Retarded, but the name makes Connor mad.
Hibiki
almost 11 years
https://epicmafia.com/setup/1072889
deletedalmost 11 years
this is for the abolition of guns in the competitive lobby.
deletedalmost 11 years
[draws a deep breath]
deletedalmost 11 years
i'm gonna delete my most played setup, namely a&v, in a single, selfless, sacrificial act akin to the self-immolation of the tibetan monks.
deletedalmost 11 years
ok, i'm gonna do it.
Hibiki
almost 11 years
ban gunsmith & gun + protective role combinations
deletedalmost 11 years

pranay7744 says

hey look out of the 3 million users, 32 signed


this is a bad argument and you know it.
Peta
almost 11 years
Yeah, Shivv's right. You can troll self-votes, override the clear, etc., but when the clear has a gun that player gets virtually 100% of the agency in the game
pranay7744
almost 11 years
hey look out of the 3 million users, 32 signed
deletedalmost 11 years
hahaha, that's a witty, insightful post germane to the discussion at hand, edark.
Edark
almost 11 years
wont take MA guns u ***
Edark
almost 11 years
Ma GUNS
deletedalmost 11 years
you get actually less diversity in setups with guns because you're always going to have one role that makes all the calls. you don't get to see an outstanding blue lead alynch on mafia, mafia completely avoid a lynch by playing well, etc. you're getting sherriff to shoot whoever he/she wants.