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Comp Setup Catalogue [Discussion]

over 10 years

Comp Setup Catalogue

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Thank you, Connor, for your contributions to the language used in the OP and formatting. Thank you, itg123, for making visual represntations of the setups in 2 sheets.

This thread is to be used for discussion of competitive setups, both currently recognised in the catalogue and new potential creations from the community, appropriate for competitive play in both the Training and Comp Lobbies. This is a resource for recent trophy winners to discuss or question the validity of their desired setups for use in the next competition, as well as the place for any user to add, challenge or question any changes to the catalogue in its current state.

If you see anything previously comped or with a vast number of plays that has missed, please point it out. This is a pretty massive undertaking so any community support is greatly appreciated and encouraged. Likewise, if something is added and shouldn’t be – please let us know and we’ll take it down. Currently, I’m not adding any setups that are old and with a few plays unless specifically requested by the community.

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There are the flexible guidelines of attributes commonly seen in competitively viable setups, and it certainly isn’t law, however it encompasses almost everything used currently in competitive play.

  • 7-10 Players
  • Town:Mafia win ratio does not exceed 42:57 or 55:45 (after ~200 plays)
  • Has no 3rd parties unless the third party wins with either town/maf exclusively. Ex. Traitor wins with Mafia, Amnesiac wins with either town or mafia in Suppa Magical Grey Scales
  • Cannot utilize roles or role combinations that can be deemed gamebreaking. (Doc joints on DYLG, War on Terror, etc)

Other Rules related to setup selection

  • A setup can only be comped once per three rounds. So if Jan 2.0 is comped Round 1, it can not be comped again until Round 4.

  • This includes similar variants of said setups. So if someone comps SDS w/ML no Whisper Round 1, they cannot comp the version with a Miller and one less blue the following round. Either setup can be selected for Round 4, but not both.

  • Setups with similar variants will be allowed/disallowed at mod discretion.

  • Any setup which becomes recognized as poor for comp will be taken down at moderator discretion.

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It is recommended and encouraged that all new setups to be comped are linked here so we can review and discuss their viability. If a setup is at one point, deemed unviable due to a lack of balance in point spread, if the balance is restored via playing in red hearts and the meta on it changes, the setup can be re-submitted to be listed as comp viable. But if it slips far past the accepted marks, then it will be taken down after community and moderator deliberation.

As new setups arrive, this is the perfect place to discuss their balance as they are play tested, and it would be assumed that a setup over the course of theory discussion and playtesting of about 200 plays, it's balance and viability can be determined and added as necessary. It is recommended and encouraged that all new setups to be comped are linked here so we can review and discuss their viability. If a setup is at one point, deemed unviable due to a lack of balance in point spread, if the balance is restored via playing in red hearts and the meta on it changes, the setup can be re-submitted to be listed as comp viable."

As this thread is new, this is a pretty massive undertaking so any community support is greatly appreciated and encouraged. Likewise, if something is added and shouldn't be – please let us know and we’ll take it down."

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over 10 years
A setup I kinda want to introduce: https://epicmafia.com/setup/1036658 . It uses BV with chances of mafia giving blames instead of having roles set in stone. IDK if the bus driver works best, but it can find scum in easier ways.
over 10 years
Overturn 2 Voltron Variant is better imo, but that'd probably be fun to play if you're indecisive.

"Let's comp 6 setups I like at once"
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over 10 years
Also, what do y'all think of this?

Back 2 Basic Variant
https://epicmafia.com/setup/1033429

4-Setup multi that combines elements from B2NS and BV. Not really sure how much Insane Cop will change things, but I thought it'd be an interesting dynamic.
over 10 years

Giga says

I hope you people realize something

You can't make people play setups that they don't want to play with the way things work right now. They just won't play them.

For those willing to try something new, kudos to you. But the majority of people all flock to one or two setups per round anyway. You can comp 5 new ones and VDLI and VDLI will get over 95% of the entire Round's gold-heart plays.


Eh, it's worth trying - Arcbell's watcher setup is pretty new and got pretty heavy play the two rounds it was comped. Some things just stick better than others.

Yeah, Connor, it needs to be worked out - it's a little too day 1 heavy, but I liked the combo of watcher/caroler with a role that mafia doesn't want to kill. Needs to be worked out though.

And yeah, I can change the name of the big setup the best setup the big setup setup
over 10 years

Connor says

wayyyyyyyy too many guns lol.

the second setup, the guiser gets broken by whispers. so lol


only one gun can be fired properly, and that too will be fired with too much care--

the hitman gun can be fired only by a town, it will clear a town and if shot on a mafia, it will confirm a mafia-- so the person has to say the name-- one gun is fabbed-- only one gun shoots mafia-- last gun is with illusionist--- this is a special setup where many guns can be played without trolling--


for second setup, i made a mistake while creating it-- gonna remove the whisper
over 10 years
I hope you people realize something

You can't make people play setups that they don't want to play with the way things work right now. They just won't play them.


For those willing to try something new, kudos to you. But the majority of people all flock to one or two setups per round anyway. You can comp 5 new ones and VDLI and VDLI will get over 95% of the entire Round's gold-heart plays.
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page me when competitive lobby isnt dead as dirt
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https://epicmafia.com/setup/1035851 here we go. pretty much VDLI with different roles to make it more interesting.
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https://epicmafia.com/setup/1035852 - was this not done already? A&D variant where hooker is replaced with Stalker to get rid of the bullshit scenarios where town loses their mislynch off of a lucky night one hook but still have a powerful PR that can make it so instant cop guilties are less reliable. Should be more balanced but no one ever seems to deviate from the shitty original version. Whatever.
over 10 years
wayyyyyyyy too many guns lol.

the second setup, the guiser gets broken by whispers. so lol
over 10 years
setup link-- https://epicmafia.com/setup/1033912 --

and yeah, it is highly balanced--

another setup-- https://epicmafia.com/setup/1033863 can be said to be a variant to vdli with a bit more scope for spectacular play
over 10 years
https://epicmafia.com/game/2987966 -- please test this setup with me-- this setup is unique and comp worthy because here you can't hipfire despite having several guns. your gun can be fabbed. illusionist can't shoot day1, as only illusionist has gun day1, and will be revealed. and does not even know his partner-- the cop and detective can claim as pr to get the gun. here the gun can be used after thinking. one wont be able to hipfire.
over 10 years
also, you should call stbs XL setup the Big setup, or stBs. just imo.

the !OFFICIAL! acronym for setup the best setup is stbs, not STBS!!!!
over 10 years
@Bronto I don't particularly /like/ caroler but I can see how you've created its potential to work. my issue is that you've designed a setup with the day 1 cc in mind and if scum win that cc, town are pretty much shut down from that point onwards. not sure what the purpose of the ninja is though
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special rounds wouldn't be bad if this community wasn't collectively bad at making setups for the most part.
over 10 years
Oh and I don't remember making Search & Destroy either

If I did make it then cool, if not, then idk who did. Seems too townsided though.
over 10 years
Watcher is useless if ninja is alive

https://epicmafia.com/setup/1035819

started with lazy cop and ended up with this. lazy cop's delayed reports are offset by nurse's ability to roleblock. chose lawyer over gf because i thought a d1 gf lynch would be too strong for town, whereas a d1 lawyer/scout lynch not so much. scout is for finding the nurse/cop but not the bleeder.

bleeder is just a standard 3rd pr/clear but if they get hit they can help scumhunt on that day *shrug*. i didnt want anything that would create mylo/ml+1 and thought oracle would be too damn strong
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haha riddler wants special rounds every round
over 10 years

Riddler says

Special rounds worked relatively fine and gave us cry n spy. Having it EVERY round would be more effective.


I'm p sure Round 47 wasn't a special Round
over 10 years
Yeah, scum can too easily fish detective here, especially before the detective can get any clears. I feel like it'd be fun but it would probably be as scumsided as STBS.

I made an XL version of STBS recently, looks the same as yours but with a 3rd Templar and no Detective. https://epicmafia.com/setup/1032235 - Not sure how viable it'd be, but it'd probably be a fun time (I am a big fan of STBS)

Then I made something more interesting: https://epicmafia.com/setup/1034209

9-man setup featuring a watcher/caroler/bomb. It's dawn-start, so the nilla would cc bomb. Watcher goes on bomb the following night. I'd need to test ninja mechs here though - if the ninja visit doesn't show up and can diffuse the bomb, does the 2nd mafia's visit show instead? Ninja may be too OP for this, unless I swapped out the bomb for an oracle instead. Also, Caroler and guiser would cc each other most likely. Not a finished product, curious to hear community opinion on it.
over 10 years
it's good to see u connor
over 10 years
https://epicmafia.com/setup/1035805

I wanted to see if a dawn start 2-templar setup was viable but felt town would be pretty underpowered, so I gave them the ultra-strong rolecop. I still think it'd be scumsided though, 'cause scum can just fish the detective. I figured wills would be harmless and might give town a /slight/ edge after considering that.

who freakin knows tho. maybe 10p night start would be better
over 10 years
Added it, Howl.

Yeah, that's kind of what I figured. I mean, a lot of setups are luck-based (N1 kill and reports matter a ton in a lot of setups). I don't really like the Witch as a competitive role either.

I'm guessing site meta has changed a lot since those setups were popular. They'd probably work fine in today's comp though. At least DaU.
over 10 years
driver turns everything hectic and adds a lot of night-action based luck elements