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Comp Setup Catalogue [Discussion]

about 10 years

Comp Setup Catalogue

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Thank you, Connor, for your contributions to the language used in the OP and formatting. Thank you, itg123, for making visual represntations of the setups in 2 sheets.

This thread is to be used for discussion of competitive setups, both currently recognised in the catalogue and new potential creations from the community, appropriate for competitive play in both the Training and Comp Lobbies. This is a resource for recent trophy winners to discuss or question the validity of their desired setups for use in the next competition, as well as the place for any user to add, challenge or question any changes to the catalogue in its current state.

If you see anything previously comped or with a vast number of plays that has missed, please point it out. This is a pretty massive undertaking so any community support is greatly appreciated and encouraged. Likewise, if something is added and shouldn’t be – please let us know and we’ll take it down. Currently, I’m not adding any setups that are old and with a few plays unless specifically requested by the community.

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There are the flexible guidelines of attributes commonly seen in competitively viable setups, and it certainly isn’t law, however it encompasses almost everything used currently in competitive play.

  • 7-10 Players
  • Town:Mafia win ratio does not exceed 42:57 or 55:45 (after ~200 plays)
  • Has no 3rd parties unless the third party wins with either town/maf exclusively. Ex. Traitor wins with Mafia, Amnesiac wins with either town or mafia in Suppa Magical Grey Scales
  • Cannot utilize roles or role combinations that can be deemed gamebreaking. (Doc joints on DYLG, War on Terror, etc)

Other Rules related to setup selection

  • A setup can only be comped once per three rounds. So if Jan 2.0 is comped Round 1, it can not be comped again until Round 4.

  • This includes similar variants of said setups. So if someone comps SDS w/ML no Whisper Round 1, they cannot comp the version with a Miller and one less blue the following round. Either setup can be selected for Round 4, but not both.

  • Setups with similar variants will be allowed/disallowed at mod discretion.

  • Any setup which becomes recognized as poor for comp will be taken down at moderator discretion.

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It is recommended and encouraged that all new setups to be comped are linked here so we can review and discuss their viability. If a setup is at one point, deemed unviable due to a lack of balance in point spread, if the balance is restored via playing in red hearts and the meta on it changes, the setup can be re-submitted to be listed as comp viable. But if it slips far past the accepted marks, then it will be taken down after community and moderator deliberation.

As new setups arrive, this is the perfect place to discuss their balance as they are play tested, and it would be assumed that a setup over the course of theory discussion and playtesting of about 200 plays, it's balance and viability can be determined and added as necessary. It is recommended and encouraged that all new setups to be comped are linked here so we can review and discuss their viability. If a setup is at one point, deemed unviable due to a lack of balance in point spread, if the balance is restored via playing in red hearts and the meta on it changes, the setup can be re-submitted to be listed as comp viable."

As this thread is new, this is a pretty massive undertaking so any community support is greatly appreciated and encouraged. Likewise, if something is added and shouldn't be – please let us know and we’ll take it down."

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almost 10 years
https://epicmafia.com/setup/1062249 3-scums, Suppa magical gray scale. Just trying. I have another one with gov instead of judge, but i think judge is better.
almost 10 years
thebrontosaurus11d 21h
The scumsidedness affects the payouts, ultimately affecting the competition - A&D was bad for comp and was too imbalanced.

Day 1 autowin is *bad*, but it happens so infrequently that it is hardly an issue. I don't really like DSW either, but it's certainly not problematic enough to remove unless it became wildly imbalanced as a result. It's been comped twice now and has only gotten ~50 plays, and leans slightly scumsided.

And I hope you mean cute in the least demeaning way possible.
almost 10 years
I find it's amusing you actually would rather (in fact you did) ban a setup which you think is scumsided than one which is obviously broken by mechanics. It's so silly, I can't even find proper words to express what I think and feel about it besides 'dirty' ones and as you're too cute to insult you I'll just keep silence. UGH
almost 10 years
There are a few setups where day 1 autowin is possible, it can happen in "Who Watches the Watcher" as well because of watcher catching one mafia and oracle dying revealing the 2nd. It's crappy, but it happens very infrequently and isn't enough to take down the setup unless it starts to lean too heavily town/scumsided
almost 10 years
Please remove Dream, Stalk and Watch from competition catalogue as it's broken setup with possible autowin for town d1. (Watcher goes on dead, dreamers dream include watcher and dead - town wins D1)
almost 10 years
how is it autowin when maf can kill dep/blacksmith if you massclaim? the point of bombs is to encourage PR hunting for maf. maf aren't challenged in making kills at night, they kill clear PRs or obvious townies, this gives them a challenge and gives town a challenge in lynching right as well.
almost 10 years
True, I'd make the bombs blues and make it Strongman/Hooker mafia team.
almost 10 years
d1 ninja lynch is autowin for town
almost 10 years
so you gave town a potential of 2 MLs. nice.
almost 10 years
I think the hooker setup is better than the strongman setup, just from a quick glance. I dig it though, I see potential.
almost 10 years
https://epicmafia.com/setup/1045611

another 7 man deputy setup which encourages scumhunting and dissuades hipshooting even more. PRs are also discouraged from claiming, and it's a simpler, more 'fun' version of 'serious' scumhunt setups
almost 10 years
https://epicmafia.com/setup/1050798

Thought of this and made it on a whim. Not sure if it's any good or not though.
almost 10 years
Those aren't really reverse variants though, I'll plus them for you if you want to try them out.

It's not a blanket ban, go reread the thread please.
almost 10 years
or this: https://epicmafia.com/setup/1049447

blanket banning all forms of reverse is a stupid decision imo
almost 10 years
https://epicmafia.com/setup/10428171

Simpler/easier without bus driver for now.
almost 10 years
https://epicmafia.com/setup/1042836

Retweaking it. Anon+ Reveal alignment minimises meta reads on people, and Ive seen many players claim they dislike meta and want to rely on pure 'scumhunting'. Actress flips town, Mortician clarifies the living while Snoop can only find miller. Takes many novel concepts and places them into one basic 'scumhunt' setup. Both PRs have disincentive to claim as the mort needs reports to verify deaths and snoop can only find the miller anyway.

I expect this to be heavily scumsided as anon generally makes reads trolly, guiser can guise out, weak PRs and towns suck at scumhunting.
almost 10 years
Plussed it, I like the idea of anon + guiser btw.
almost 10 years
https://epicmafia.com/setup/1042392

wanted a competitive guiser setup where guise tests couldn't break guiser.
multi setup which has a similar layout to BV/B2NS but maf have a guiser. suspects instead of millers for clarification when lynched and because anon made it difficult enough for town.

i wanted a pure 'scumhunting' setup for those who dislike meta.
almost 10 years

Connor says

this isn't the thread for that

i don't see why we need visit-framers. the next think ull want is a visit-lawyer. just use a damn cop


It could have it's niche, at the very least it'd be something different. It'd work in a setup like 163, for example.
almost 10 years
ok, I'll try to make an idea around it to see if people will like them.
almost 10 years
there isn't one. you'd just make your own

also, your description is fine. i just don't see the point. unless there's a setup in which that kind of niche is more viable than cop/framer
almost 10 years
What thread is that then?
almost 10 years
this isn't the thread for that

i don't see why we need visit-framers. the next think ull want is a visit-lawyer. just use a damn cop
almost 10 years
What action would be appropriate for it to make someone appear to visit someone like a sleep walk? I originally wanted to use the role of Hypnotist:

Hypnotist:
Visits one town each night.
Makes that person visit an additional person.
That additional visit does nothing.
Visit doesn't appear on Tracker's/Watcher's report
Sided with the mafia.

This gives maf a chance to make someone look like a sleepwalker without effecting what they already do.

But I can't find any description that worked.
almost 10 years
Looks fun, balance concerns me though because driver is much much much more powerful than nilla in the last setup. If you made variants of the first two and added those instead of the tracker (perhaps introduce it as a separate concept?) it'd work better. But I plussed it, feel free to test it out if you can.