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Comp Setup Catalogue

Original Thread


Thank you, Connor, for your contributions to the language used in the OP and formatting. Thank you, itg123, for making visual represntations of the setups in 2 sheets.

This thread is to be used for discussion of competitive setups, both currently recognised in the catalogue and new potential creations from the community, appropriate for competitive play in both the Training and Comp Lobbies. This is a resource for recent trophy winners to discuss or question the validity of their desired setups for use in the next competition, as well as the place for any user to add, challenge or question any changes to the catalogue in its current state.

If you see anything previously comped or with a vast number of plays that has missed, please point it out. This is a pretty massive undertaking so any community support is greatly appreciated and encouraged. Likewise, if something is added and shouldn’t be – please let us know and we’ll take it down. Currently, I’m not adding any setups that are old and with a few plays unless specifically requested by the community.

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There are the flexible guidelines of attributes commonly seen in competitively viable setups, and it certainly isn’t law, however it encompasses almost everything used currently in competitive play.

  • 7-10 Players
  • Town:Mafia win ratio does not exceed 42:57 or 55:45 (after ~200 plays)
  • Has no 3rd parties unless the third party wins with either town/maf exclusively. Ex. Traitor wins with Mafia, Amnesiac wins with either town or mafia in Suppa Magical Grey Scales
  • Cannot utilize roles or role combinations that can be deemed gamebreaking. (Doc joints on DYLG, War on Terror, etc)

Other Rules related to setup selection

  • A setup can only be comped once per three rounds. So if Jan 2.0 is comped Round 1, it can not be comped again until Round 4.

  • This includes similar variants of said setups. So if someone comps SDS w/ML no Whisper Round 1, they cannot comp the version with a Miller and one less blue the following round. Either setup can be selected for Round 4, but not both.

  • Setups with similar variants will be allowed/disallowed at mod discretion.

  • Any setup which becomes recognized as poor for comp will be taken down at moderator discretion.

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It is recommended and encouraged that all new setups to be comped are linked here so we can review and discuss their viability. If a setup is at one point, deemed unviable due to a lack of balance in point spread, if the balance is restored via playing in red hearts and the meta on it changes, the setup can be re-submitted to be listed as comp viable. But if it slips far past the accepted marks, then it will be taken down after community and moderator deliberation.

As new setups arrive, this is the perfect place to discuss their balance as they are play tested, and it would be assumed that a setup over the course of theory discussion and playtesting of about 200 plays, it's balance and viability can be determined and added as necessary. It is recommended and encouraged that all new setups to be comped are linked here so we can review and discuss their viability. If a setup is at one point, deemed unviable due to a lack of balance in point spread, if the balance is restored via playing in red hearts and the meta on it changes, the setup can be re-submitted to be listed as comp viable."

As this thread is new, this is a pretty massive undertaking so any community support is greatly appreciated and encouraged. Likewise, if something is added and shouldn't be – please let us know and we’ll take it down."

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thebrontosaurus says

I could see it being fun, the only thing that is alarming is the strong possibility of a day 1 LYLO situation (sniper and deputy both hit town after a successful mafia kill). I'll add it to the list. Thanks Howl.


Thanks Bronto. The daystart variant will be tested through the next week or so, after my finals are over. Daystart means mafia won't know their partners. Town also gains a ML on the first day. Should be more balanced.

https://epicmafia.com/setup/1030715

Please remove the first version, since it's horribly scumsided.
over 10 years
Yeah, is there anything wrong with the driver?

The only reason I posted them here is because they have so many plays and the stats don't look terrible.

The LOBL variant looks very cool by the way, I'm adding it.
over 10 years
DaU seems kinda luck based, fdd is hella luck based, recklessness is ultra luck based and fav. four is 4 shitty setups squashed into 1 rofl

https://epicmafia.com/topic/60313
over 10 years
I have the Cry n' Spy variant listed already. And yeah, I'll get around to that too.

What do you think of the setups I posted above?
over 10 years
you have "carbon14 dawnstart" in variants without carbon14 being in the main list. please move the dawnstart variant up. do not bring back the original day start version - it's obselete and was created before dawn start existed

please replace cry and spy with a dawn start variant (ive had one created for a while but im sure theres an older one or one with more plays:

https://epicmafia.com/setup/1016484
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https://epicmafia.com/setup/19511
https://epicmafia.com/setup/53930
https://epicmafia.com/setup/36325
https://epicmafia.com/setup/675511

These are some older setups that Vancy brought to my attention. I've never seen any of them in action before so I can't say. Driver setups don't seem to be in vogue right now. Is there a reason for this?

If these belong up there I'll add them, but if there's a weird aspect to Driver or the setups that breaks them, let me know before I add them. Thanks everyone.
over 10 years
With the upcoming fix to Yakuza, DLYV and DLYG are going to undergo testing to see if they can fit into Comp Lobby.
over 10 years
I could see it being fun, the only thing that is alarming is the strong possibility of a day 1 LYLO situation (sniper and deputy both hit town after a successful mafia kill). I'll add it to the list. Thanks Howl.
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Added a strategy.
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Oh whoops. Whispers should not be on by default when creating setups. I'm going to remake it. Haven't made a strat yet. It's built for scumhunting, and the poisoner is meant to make things more tense for the better players.

https://epicmafia.com/setup/1028240
over 10 years
Plussed it for you. What's the strat? Looks chaotic. Also, whispers?
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Nero says

The existence of hunters make sure that the PRs cannot be cc'd. They're not meant to be lynched.


Ah, that makes more sense then.
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The existence of hunters make sure that the PRs cannot be cc'd. They're not meant to be lynched.
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Yeah, I brought it up earlier with others - here were my comments.

"let's see. Templar setup plays as STBS which is fine. Hunter setup is bad because if they shoot and misfire, mafia wins n2, Tree setup is the same as the tree setup he made earlier which was very scumsided, judges play like Templars but they don't get the benefit of knowing each other plus their voting power is whacky, deputy/BP is like RL3 which could work but will likely lean townsided, and then the Granny setup is possibly very swingy or would revolve too heavily on a single clear leading the game. overall, probably not very good"

I think it'll leave it for now, if anyone else more senior on the mod team has an issue with it we can take it down.
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over 10 years
I'll add it for now, but the current spread is pretty unbalanced. Small sample size is the reason for that though.

Good find, Guy.
over 10 years
This might as well be comp-viable:

https://epicmafia.com/setup/518095 - (Un)Safe-Pool

payout: 60-60

It's fun and balanced, I think it would be fine for both training comp and comp comp.

What do you (all) think?
over 10 years
There's a whole section on new setups with minimal plays that are buried in the "find game" tab. It's a resource of the "same old setups" as well as new ones. It's everything in one place.
over 10 years
this thread blows and encourages nothing but the same old setups every round

kudos
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Please remove "Armed & Retarded" until it is replaced or renamed.


I dislike the name too - Peta, mind changing it to something less offensive? Either way, 55/44 maf/town isn't terrible, it's a worthy variant of A&D



Please remove Ying Yang Chaos because it's trash.


I agree that it's not a good setup and that it's basically a coinflip, but unless fiddler is banned from comp it stays up there. Make a petition to get rid of Fiddler/Silencer from competitive, I'd sign it.



Guy's post


Overturn 2 Eloquence is there already, Silence of the Lambs is way too townsided, with a 60/39 in favor of town after 1000 plays, it's not a good competitive setup.

Coco's isn't good for comp because it is often played like Reverse Mafia. Every day you NL for the most part, not to mention, the killer/mafia winrates being so low make the point payouts too high for a fair competition. Not to mention, you can lose N1 as either Killer or Mafia if the other kills you. Okay for red hearts in training, not for comp.

Classic has been comped in the past and was blacklisted because it's incredibly easy to cheat on. Fancy Pants is a bit townsided (and that's in training too, it'd be more townsided in comp), not to mention, the possibility of a Gunsmith fungunning N1 isn't exactly good for competitive either. In addition, it presents the same problems that Classic mafia does.
over 10 years
Possible setups to comp:

https://epicmafia.com/setup/694701 (never played, looks balanced) - Overturn 2 Eloquence

https://epicmafia.com/setup/997 (townsided, but with good mafia? with pr death n1?) - Coco's Epic Setup

https://epicmafia.com/setup/317433 (never played, stats say it's townsided, I think it's balanced, with good mafs) - Silence of the Lambs

Also, I would comp (not at the sime time, obviously) Classic mafia and Fancy Pants. I'd be curious to see how Comp. Players would play them (and they are not unbalanced, above all Fancy Pants).

Greetings,
Guy
over 10 years
Please remove Ying Yang Chaos because it's trash.
over 10 years
Yes please :)
over 10 years
I have seen some others setup which could get comp'd... but some are not played a lot, some MIGHT (stats say so, but we may discuss that) be quite town/scum sided... Do i link them here and discuss them?