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JonSnow
over 6 years

Hello everyone! I would like to ask the people who are interested in this event to participate and contribute as much as possible.

In order for 2 new roles to be added to em, the community has to work together to refine the ideas that are going to be mentioned below. We have to collectively select 2 of the best ideas and make sure their version is the best one possible. The next step would be to come up with some sort of artwork for the selected roles. Lucid mentioned something about rewarding the users behind the artwork that would get selected in the end for those 2 roles.

Jack the Ripper (originally Hypocrite)

  • Jack the Ripper hates anyone who kills.
  • Jack the Ripper only wins when the game ends and all murderers are dead.
  • If Jack the Ripper receives a gun or knife and kills someone with it, he will not consider himself a murderer.
  • To Jack the Ripper, murderers are killing roles or any other player that has successfully eliminated someone else (shot, stabbed, blown up, etc.)
  • If a player survives one of these actions, Jack the Ripper will not consider the attacker a murderer. (~Jennings)

Cat Lady

  • Chooses one player every night. The player is instantly alerted that a cat is at their door. They have two options: Kill the cat, and let it go. If you kill the cat, you are roleblocked and the Cat Lady doesn't know who was visited. If you let it go, the Cat Lady learns your role.
  • Sided with the mafia. (~Her)

Robinhood

  • Visits two people, taking all items from the first and giving them to the second (cannot visit self either way)
  • Action fails if trying to steal from a mafia
  • Sided with the village (~Torreador)

Vice President

  • If the president dies, takes their place
  • All townies immediately receive a message of their new president
  • Attends mafia meetings, and makes them anonymous
  • Cannot win if they are the vice president (~Alyssa)

Gossiper

  • Chooses one person every night.
  • Will see some whispers this person receives/makes.
  • Gossiper's action does not count as a visit.
  • Sided with the mafia. (~Soluciones)

(revising) the Seer

  • Knows all mafia from the beginning of the game.
  • If lynched at the end of the game, the last mafia can guess who the Seer is for autowin.
  • If the Seer dies, they will appear as a random (non-mafia) role in the setup and their will will always be blank. If dead, the mafia can still attempt a guess to the Seer's identity at the end of the game.
  • If there are multiple Seers in a game, only one Seer will know the mafia at any given time.
  • If there are two mafias and multiple Seers, the knowledge of the mafias will be split between them.
  • Sided with the village. (~Shwartz99)

Whistleblower

  • Once per game can force someone to vote someone else. Vote cannot be OT'D if it is a hammer. Sided with maf (Will create more tension in selfing/hammering based setups (~Moldyches)

Soldier

  • If they are the last man standing against a single mafia or third party, the village wins.
  • Sided with the village. (~XFire)

PowerTown

  • Each night chooses a power role from the options provided to him. (the mods should determine the list)
  • Night meeting goes accordingly
  • Sided with the village

PowerMafia

  • Each night chooses a mafia role from the list.
  • Night meeting goes accordingly
  • Sided with the mafia
What is your favorite role mentioned in this thread?
50
Cat Lady
26
Vice President
22
the Seer
12
Robinhood
12
Soldier
6
Jack the Ripper
6
Whistleblower
4
Gossiper
admin
over 6 years
usurper added! last and final non-graveyard role, all other suggestions will be queued after medium, mourner, and exorcist
admin
over 6 years

Golbolco says


lucaskart says

So I want your guys opinion on this one:

Photographer:

.At night, she takes a photo of a deceased town member in the cemetery.
.At morning the Photographer shares the photo with someone.
.Then at night the person who received the photo will discover which person the photo shows and if they want to trade their role with him.
.Sided with village.


I think you’re overcomplicating things.

Just have a role that selects 2 players, a living and a dead one, and swaps their roles. I have a Village role named Frankenstein that does this.

Giving the player agency in the swap does make things interesting, but I think it could be implemented better.


:+1:
lucaskart
over 6 years

Golbolco says


lucaskart says

So I want your guys opinion on this one:

Photographer:

.At night, she takes a photo of a deceased town member in the cemetery.
.At morning the Photographer shares the photo with someone.
.Then at night the person who received the photo will discover which person the photo shows and if they want to trade their role with him.
.Sided with village.


I think you’re overcomplicating things.

Just have a role that selects 2 players, a living and a dead one, and swaps their roles. I have a Village role named Frankenstein that does this.

Giving the player agency in the swap does make things interesting, but I think it could be implemented better.


I think I'm not too good at wording my ideas in english, so that's why it may seem complicated, but it's like, you choose a role from the graveyard at night, do a meeting at morning, if the role you chose is town, at night the player you met will receive the name and the role and select if they take it or not.
admin
over 6 years

shayneismyname says

Tbh what that person says has a point, I know you're excited to make all these new roles to add to the game, but imo the most helpful thing to old and new users alike is to implement a feature that Emjack has had since the beginning:


That really is the most basic thing. There's lots of talk about adding emojis, and adding graveyard roles, but why do we need to resort to a separate tab to look up roles? Why do we need an extension to look up roles in game? This would really make the game a lot more new user friendly.


i'll add it this week! thank you!
Golbolco
over 6 years

lucaskart says

So I want your guys opinion on this one:

Photographer:

.At night, she takes a photo of a deceased town member in the cemetery.
.At morning the Photographer shares the photo with someone.
.Then at night the person who received the photo will discover which person the photo shows and if they want to trade their role with him.
.Sided with village.


I think you’re overcomplicating things.

Just have a role that selects 2 players, a living and a dead one, and swaps their roles. I have a Village role named Frankenstein that does this.

Giving the player agency in the swap does make things interesting, but I think it could be implemented better.
shayneismyname
over 6 years
Well I didn't say "major" either so ok.
MisterPresident
over 6 years
I wouldn't say "major" but I know what you mean
shayneismyname
over 6 years
Sandbox/closed role setups are still a big part of the site. It wouldn't even be that had to implement.
MisterPresident
over 6 years
I mean in most games that aren't Sandbox you can hover over them for the description

I don't see an issue with adding this but it seems like one of the least needed fixes right now
shayneismyname
over 6 years
Tbh what that person says has a point, I know you're excited to make all these new roles to add to the game, but imo the most helpful thing to old and new users alike is to implement a feature that Emjack has had since the beginning:


That really is the most basic thing. There's lots of talk about adding emojis, and adding graveyard roles, but why do we need to resort to a separate tab to look up roles? Why do we need an extension to look up roles in game? This would really make the game a lot more new user friendly.
lucaskart
over 6 years

admin says


lucaskart says


admin says


lucaskart says

So I want your guys opinion on this one:

Photographer:

.At night, she takes a photo of a deceased town member in the cemetery.
.At morning the Photographer shares the photo with someone.
.Then at night the person who received the photo will discover which person the photo shows and if they want to trade their role with him.
.Sided with village.


hmm, the photographer would pick any deceased? it's possible for person shown photograph to turn from either side?


She can only pick deceased Town Members, also no, mafia shouldn't be allowed to turn into town.


but then the photographer automatically knows who isn't town



Well, about the deceased, it will be shown(or not) in the graveyard if they're town (if they aren't shown and the photographer pick a mafia/3rd party so the morning meeting won't be effective, will happen but will cause in nothing), and about the player choice of picking or not the role is still a choice and for that to happen it will be 2 days after a important role dying, and town players can deny the role too, also maf can fake taking a role if it can't prove itself.
sl0nderman
over 6 years

Abraar says

what is the point of making these crappy roles? focus on betterment of the site....


love people like you who coming and say "fix the site" without any specifics. really helping.
admin
over 6 years

lucaskart says


admin says


lucaskart says

So I want your guys opinion on this one:

Photographer:

.At night, she takes a photo of a deceased town member in the cemetery.
.At morning the Photographer shares the photo with someone.
.Then at night the person who received the photo will discover which person the photo shows and if they want to trade their role with him.
.Sided with village.


hmm, the photographer would pick any deceased? it's possible for person shown photograph to turn from either side?


She can only pick deceased Town Members, also no, mafia shouldn't be allowed to turn into town.


but then the photographer automatically knows who isn't town
lucaskart
over 6 years

admin says


lucaskart says

So I want your guys opinion on this one:

Photographer:

.At night, she takes a photo of a deceased town member in the cemetery.
.At morning the Photographer shares the photo with someone.
.Then at night the person who received the photo will discover which person the photo shows and if they want to trade their role with him.
.Sided with village.


hmm, the photographer would pick any deceased? it's possible for person shown photograph to turn from either side?




She can only pick deceased Town Members, also no, mafia shouldn't be allowed to turn into town.
deletedover 6 years
what is the point of making these crappy roles? focus on betterment of the site....
admin
over 6 years

lucaskart says

So I want your guys opinion on this one:

Photographer:

.At night, she takes a photo of a deceased town member in the cemetery.
.At morning the Photographer shares the photo with someone.
.Then at night the person who received the photo will discover which person the photo shows and if they want to trade their role with him.
.Sided with village.


hmm, the photographer would pick any deceased? it's possible for person shown photograph to turn from either side?
blacksnakemoan
over 6 years
https://epicmafia.com/role/55418

Lucid, maybe make Butler only appear to be blue if lynched, but if someone shoots him like Sheriff or something, he flips Butler. Just like miller flips his true role if killed.
blacksnakemoan
over 6 years

sl0nderman says


blacksnakemoan says


sl0nderman says


PosterChild says

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a town role that stops mafia performing any night actions would be cool





virgin mostly does that job.


*any* night actions. No hooking, no driving, no interceptoring etc.
blacksnakemoan
over 6 years
How about a mafia role called Cleaner. Once per game can choose to hide the role of someone the town lynches. Like a janitor, but for town actions. Would be good for confusing PR claims, stopping town knowing which mafia PR was killed. They can vote for the cleaner option right after the lynch like jailer, governor etc.

Idk how it'd work exactly, but a mafia role sort of like Mastermind called Cell Master. When the role is in the game, mafia meetings have no names, only roles, e.g. Janitor, Hooker. The Cell Master is the only one that can talk in the night meet, but all roles can see all other mafia actions e.g. Janitor can see that hooker is hooking blacksnakemoan, hooker can see Janitor is janning Ally. Idea would be for it to mimic a network of criminals where no one knows anyone else except the one who recruited them.
sl0nderman
over 6 years

blacksnakemoan says


sl0nderman says


PosterChild says

snip


a town role that stops mafia performing any night actions would be cool





virgin mostly does that job.
blacksnakemoan
over 6 years

sl0nderman says


PosterChild says

I know this isn't a graveyard related role but I like the way the icon turned out so I want to share it
>.<

Rain Dancer

-Sided with mafia
-Can perform a ritual at night, summoning a rainstorm to appear the following day.
-Rainstorm lasts one day and makes town unable to lynch anyone that day.
-Ability can be used once per game.

Morning system msg: "Due to terrible weather today's lynch has been canceled."

So it like makes everyone's vote weight 0 for a day (including mafia's) or just makes nl the only option in the votes.


i'm really not a big fan of mafia roles that stop lynches. unless the setup has a gun or vigil in it, lynches are the only way for the town to fight back against the mafia. i think any mafia role that lets people skip one day closer to mylo/lylo will always be too powerful.


a town role that stops mafia performing any night actions would be cool
sl0nderman
over 6 years

Songin says

Annoyance:
-Chooses 1 person every night to visit.
-That person is roleblocked
-Wins if successifully role blocks 3 times
-3rd Party

Some notes:
-Winnable with both town and mafia
-Roleblocks on non-power role players do not count (Blue/Loudmouth/Oracle/etc)


i like it. i would just like to restate the rules in a way that's more clear:

- Chooses one player every night
- Roleblocks that player
- Wins if they roleblock 3 power roles by the end of the game

I don't think nilla maf is considered a power role despite the night meeting, right?

Another good excuse to shill my idea of categorizing roles on the role page. As Jack the Ripper / Hypocrite targets killing roles and Annoyance targets power roles but these categories of roles should be listed on the Learn page as tags or similar.
Songin
over 6 years
Annoyance:
-Chooses 1 person every night to visit.
-That person is roleblocked
-Wins if successifully role blocks 3 times
-3rd Party

Some notes:
-Winnable with both town and mafia
-Roleblocks on non-power role players do not count (Blue/Loudmouth/Oracle/etc)
lucaskart
over 6 years
So I want your guys opinion on this one:

Photographer:

.At night, she takes a photo of a deceased town member in the cemetery.
.At morning the Photographer shares the photo with someone.
.Then at night the person who received the photo will discover which person the photo shows and if they want to trade their role with him.
.Sided with village.
sl0nderman
over 6 years

PosterChild says

I know this isn't a graveyard related role but I like the way the icon turned out so I want to share it
>.<

Rain Dancer

-Sided with mafia
-Can perform a ritual at night, summoning a rainstorm to appear the following day.
-Rainstorm lasts one day and makes town unable to lynch anyone that day.
-Ability can be used once per game.

Morning system msg: "Due to terrible weather today's lynch has been canceled."

So it like makes everyone's vote weight 0 for a day (including mafia's) or just makes nl the only option in the votes.


i'm really not a big fan of mafia roles that stop lynches. unless the setup has a gun or vigil in it, lynches are the only way for the town to fight back against the mafia. i think any mafia role that lets people skip one day closer to mylo/lylo will always be too powerful.