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Did I throw game?

Memoji
over 6 years

Guys,

I'd like to bring out this game and collect your opinions with the subject perspective.

Please help me review this game, with turn on the vote log & time span https://epicmafia.com/game/6673648/review

Downvote if you think I did throw game

Upvote if you think I did not.

Leave comment if you have any opinions.

Long story short: I got a GT vio for this game and mod suspend my trophy.

Mori sent private message to various mods and blacksnakemoan report and self vio it https://epicmafia.com/report/253996

Then I appealed the report: https://epicmafia.com/report/254000

The relate report here: https://epicmafia.com/report/254002

GrannyPixel was blacksmith in this game, who admits this is not a GT. She was in game so she knows what exactly happened.

The final result from mod team is Sustained.

Mori sent PM to mods with her opinion that I used Phoenixi as a GT acc to make her lose while she was #20 and Memoji was about #6

In statistic of Mori:

Here is the proof about my screen buggy

With MisterPresident's spamming votes and drop-line vote due to long name, I mishammerred on hooker

I need to hear more opinions. Thanks,

Phoenixo – Memoji

AnonymousSentient
over 6 years

Magician says


AnonymousSentient says

and tbh a lot more non-mods who also have opinions and would be able to serve on juries equally with you have decided that it was not worthy of a gt vio

and yet you reject this proposal and therefore are exposing a blatant bias to mods.


shut up nerd


dictatorship exposed
peach
over 6 years
if epicmafia was a democracy it would burn to the ground in about 10 minutes
deletedover 6 years

AnonymousSentient says

and tbh a lot more non-mods who also have opinions and would be able to serve on juries equally with you have decided that it was not worthy of a gt vio

and yet you reject this proposal and therefore are exposing a blatant bias to mods.


shut up nerd
AnonymousSentient
over 6 years
and tbh a lot more non-mods who also have opinions and would be able to serve on juries equally with you have decided that it was not worthy of a gt vio

and yet you reject this proposal and therefore are exposing a blatant bias to mods.
deletedover 6 years
the decision on the memoji gt vio was almost unanimous if not unanimous and was settled before reset
deletedover 6 years
actually we paused the round to look at the top 3's games, but okay
AnonymousSentient
over 6 years
but then they would have explicitly stated that the reason was grudging someone so as to avoid this confusion in the first place also no i don't think it is fair to say that because it is an intuitive thing that someone might grudge after another game that they would do so in the next one.

it is also impossible to prove and so it 'must' be a gut reaction from mods if your opinion is true.
PatrykSzczescie
over 6 years
Mods give a GT vio if you deliberately play for certain person's win or loss over yourself for reasons that don't come from the game you're currently playing.
AnonymousSentient
over 6 years
no i dont think that you can discern whether or not phoe is the type of person to grudge in a new game and because of it that is a vio.

also the mods did not vio them for grudges but for gt and in this case it was clear that they were not deliberately throwing the game.
PatrykSzczescie
over 6 years
Also, I've looked for history of report filed by Phoenixi and Memoji and I found some GT reports that, according to their descriptions, could be handled as a newbie play. Phoenixi, aware that it could be GT to hammer his hooker and that he has already got a game related vio in this round, knowing the consequences, would he risk throwing against another runner?
PatrykSzczescie
over 6 years
The pause is a questionable thing, that I bet mods were discussing for a little of time as they opinions were split, they were looking for something else about Phoenixi to decide whether to vio or not. Ally said that that the verdict is given by mods and it's a GT vio as Phoenixi's playstyle was visibly different. blacksnakemoan pointed out a game where Phoenixi led a lynch on MrNice out of grudge and it was noted what kind of account Phoenixi was. It was followed by the previous game where Phoenixi assumed MrNice threw a game against him.

However, I see that Phoenixi still plays for his win condition. He wanted MrNice lynched regardless of his alignment as he believed this mislynch would help him win the game, although it warranted a GT vio due to grudge. His caps shows his determination, which can be found in some of Memoji games as well. He still had much more reason to win than lose the game, as he had won 10 games and lost 6 (I was wrong previously saying 5, I didn't include the loss in MrNice game) while as Memoji he had won 13 games and lost 7. So he had more hearts to play out and a chance to reach more points as Phoenixi over Memoji.

I have never seen Phoenixi trying to intentionally lose his game, even in the one he got his first GT vio, as explained above.
Phoenixi
over 6 years

Mori says

Perhaps an easy fix would only be letting you play on the account you're running, then again, people could still throw on secret alts.


If I'd planed to throw on my alt, I wouldn't have made the same avis :))
AnonymousSentient
over 6 years
mods have put their foot down and are calling you nasty names behind the scenes and laughing in their bowler hats esp the fat one.
deletedover 6 years
when are the mods gonna apologise for fkin up.

u owe memoji an apology
PatrykSzczescie
over 6 years

blacksnakemoan says


PatrykSzczescie says


blacksnakemoan says

Phoenixi's play differs in that he doesn't give a fùck on that account. He showed that with his first vio in the round: https://epicmafia.com/report/253532

In that one he instantly grudge votes a town player and GTs by starting the BW on them.


By that time, Phoenixi had 10 wins and 5 losses till this moment, so stop telling us that he decided it would be his throwing account if he could run on this.


I'm OK with explaining verdicts to you and other users, but if you're going to continue to twist what I say, I'm just going to stop communicating and you can try guess why I or another mod has done something.

Nowhere did I say this was a toss account.


I'm sorry. I was in hurry at that moment I posted and just put what came to my mind without thinking about it twice.
AnonymousSentient
over 6 years
tbf even if denial is my sworn enemy in this world they are a narwhal and narwhals need to be loved as cute anime girls too what do you think?
Gerry
over 6 years
hey guys site is dying lets not use our brains and be contrarians XD
deletedover 6 years

denial says


sade says

My point is 5 people discussed it and disregard what 25 other people are saying on something that is too strict considering the numbers. I'm not saying give up the rules sites dead. I'm saying when 25 (BASICALLY THE ENTIRE SITE) people are saying something maybe bend your thinking a bit and keep an open mind.

Why argue intent? He was trying to push a lynch on mori before claiming they were hooker. The intent was clear but it doesn't matter looks like.


lets have a vote on hipfire and the hell yeah strategy next

very valid strategy that should be allowed because the majority find it fun and the site is dying


I personally wouldn't care but which majority is that? The red heart? Runners don't like hipfires.

There wasn't enough there to call it an INTENTIONAL gt. Prezzy didn't get a spam vio either and nobody went out of their way to speak of their concern about him.
Mori
over 6 years
Tbh hell yeah is super fun
denial
over 6 years

AnonymousSentient says

you are in denial.


I mean why is it gamethrowing???? im just trying to have fun and hoping my random shot is maf
AnonymousSentient
over 6 years
you are in denial.
denial
over 6 years

sade says

My point is 5 people discussed it and disregard what 25 other people are saying on something that is too strict considering the numbers. I'm not saying give up the rules sites dead. I'm saying when 25 (BASICALLY THE ENTIRE SITE) people are saying something maybe bend your thinking a bit and keep an open mind.

Why argue intent? He was trying to push a lynch on mori before claiming they were hooker. The intent was clear but it doesn't matter looks like.


lets have a vote on hipfire and the hell yeah strategy next

very valid strategy that should be allowed because the majority find it fun and the site is dying
deletedover 6 years
Yeah good luck with that
Mori
over 6 years
Perhaps an easy fix would only be letting you play on the account you're running, then again, people could still throw on secret alts.
deletedover 6 years
It wasn't throwing. But hey you're still trophying and he's still claiming to quit comp and I still think this was a stupid verdict and none of it will change.