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So there's been a lot of shooting recently and the president isnt doing about it.

Australia had its worst mass shooting in 1996 on the 28th of April. 12 days later australia announced a bipartisan deal on sweeping gun control measures. The government brought back and destroyed over a million guns. We (australia) haven't had a mass shooting since.

Why is Trump not doing anything. Children are dying. People aren't living their full lives. If comforting those who have been through trauma and lost loved ones is all they can do b*llfucking sh*t. If saying it will be okay to those victims then saying that to gun owners should be fine too.

Sorry im just annoyed with how this has all been going down.

Should gun control be changed?
89
Yes
16
No
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its 2018 and u r replying to someone posting a dril tweet, smdh
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"driving kills a lot of people, but it helps ppl get to the hospital on time"
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i dunno dude... i'm from the UK and wouldn't know the first thing about stopping gun violence. i just know the problems that plague the US school system that you mentioned also affect britain just as much... if not more so ... and the most striking difference is lack of firearms.

you can say it's mental health as much as you want, but disturbed individuals are always gonna slip through the cracks. if you want to section every edgy teen that says they want to shoot up a school you'd have to take in half of 4chan...
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Guns save lives, guns take lives.. But guns still save lives..
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Ok even if that is true, what is the solution other than disarming the public (martial law) which will never happen
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While u guys rely on statistics, common sense flys over ur heads.
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D3xTr0m3th0rph4n says

The fact of the matter is a person who wants a gun for protective will have a gun, a person who wants a knife will have a knife.

But the more people who have guns, the less power that gun holds bc no one wants to get shot lol.


no it means everyone shoots each other
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GentIeman says


kappo says


D3xTr0m3th0rph4n says

School shootings happen b/c of glorification in the news, depersonalization via social media, and because high school/collage kids r diks... And ofc mental illness.

Nothing to do wit guns..if they didnt have guns theyd make a hcl bomb or fert bomb


the UK has similar problems too... but guess what... there hasn't been a school shooting in over 20 years.... wonder why


I posted trusted statisticians saying that those incidents were so statistically insignificant that it was hard to tell if the gun bans even did anything. Ill trust them over you.


the statistical insignificance that the UK has had one school shooting in the last 20 years whereas the US has had hundreds...
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The fact of the matter is a person who wants a gun for protective will have a gun, a person who wants a knife will have a knife.

But the more people who have guns, the less power that gun holds bc no one wants to get shot lol.
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Devante says

@gentlemen , I’m currently at work and as a result can’t sit here and debunk each of your articles .

I did read that Washington post one

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2015/10/06/zero-correlation-between-state-homicide-rate-and-state-gun-laws/?utm_term=.41ce190facae

That is probably the most subjective article with the most inferred satay ever (by the author) where he says “if there is stricter gun laws MOST LIKELY the criminals would find another way to kill someone is, with a knife - my rebuttal is , I’d much rather get in a bar fight with someone with a knife over a gun.


If you want some substantial information , you can read the first 2 comments in said article where the two commenters (and that’s as far as I was able to read) pretty much debunked that nonsensical argument proving that stricter gun laws leads to less homocideb


Devante u mean youd rather get shot by an illegal gun rather than a legal gun. The funny thing about gun laws is the harder they make it to get a gun, the easier it is to get one.
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D3xTr0m3th0rph4n says

Maybe it has something do to with how children are treated in America vs other countries.


lol. yes. that's the reason you have mass shootings every month.
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@gentlemen , I’m currently at work and as a result can’t sit here and debunk each of your articles .

I did read that Washington post one

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2015/10/06/zero-correlation-between-state-homicide-rate-and-state-gun-laws/?utm_term=.41ce190facae

That is probably the most subjective article with the most inferred satay ever (by the author) where he says “if there is stricter gun laws MOST LIKELY the criminals would find another way to kill someone is, with a knife - my rebuttal is , I’d much rather get in a bar fight with someone with a knife over a gun.


If you want some substantial information , you can read the first 2 comments in said article where the two commenters (and that’s as far as I was able to read) pretty much debunked that nonsensical argument proving that stricter gun laws leads to less homocideb
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Homicide rates have a direct correlation with poverty and drug use
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kappo says


D3xTr0m3th0rph4n says

School shootings happen b/c of glorification in the news, depersonalization via social media, and because high school/collage kids r diks... And ofc mental illness.

Nothing to do wit guns..if they didnt have guns theyd make a hcl bomb or fert bomb


the UK has similar problems too... but guess what... there hasn't been a school shooting in over 20 years.... wonder why


I posted trusted statisticians saying that those incidents were so statistically insignificant that it was hard to tell if the gun bans even did anything. Ill trust them over you.

Devante says

I mean if we can’t agree that having the worst gun laws in any developed county leads to more access to guns, and more access to guns leads tic more gun deaths which in turn leads to higher homicide rates and incarceration for violence offences

(US Is the leader in both of those aforementioned categories)

We’ll never agree on anything and this conversation is pointless.
Let’s just live in our extreme bubbles while more schools and concerts in America get shot up and let’s just continue to say “we don’t know why this keeps happening “


"Leads to higher homicide rates"

I posted multiple sources proving that it doesnt. Im sorry the point blew over your head.

There is NO CORRELATION between gun ban/regulations and decrease in homicide. Zero zip nada none.

This is nothing but ideological and not based on any sort of pragamatism on your part.

I cant agree with you, when you wont even see that the stats dont match with what you are saying.

But go ahead and stick your head up you own on how virtuous you are vs me an uneducaeted NRA shill.
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Maybe it has something do to with how children are treated in America vs other countries.
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I couldnt tell you, but i will tell you access to firearms is not the variable.
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D3xTr0m3th0rph4n says

School shootings happen b/c of glorification in the news, depersonalization via social media, and because high school/collage kids r diks... And ofc mental illness.

Nothing to do wit guns..if they didnt have guns theyd make a hcl bomb or fert bomb


the UK has similar problems too... but guess what... there hasn't been a school shooting in over 20 years.... wonder why
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School shootings happen b/c of glorification in the news, depersonalization via social media, and because high school/collage kids r diks... And ofc mental illness.

Nothing to do wit guns..if they didnt have guns theyd make a hcl bomb or fert bomb
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ITT bad arguments
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Devante says

Let’s just live in our extreme bubbles while more schools and concerts in America get shot up and let’s just continue to say “we don’t know why this keeps happening “


You're in Canada though, right? You know why it's happening. We all know why. Americans don't lol
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GentIeman says

I gave you one rule... you couldnt use the label gun deaths. Which is entirely what that article is doing. No that a country that has guns would have higher rate of "gun deaths"

I said specifically homicide/murder rates.


You could also just read the article theure trying to debunk. The much more reliable source of five thirty eight than progressive trash vox

Liberal outlets keep using the term "gun deaths" to be misleading. When it comes to actual murder rates it doesnt make a difference.




I mean if we can’t agree that having the worst gun laws in any developed county leads to more access to guns, and more access to guns leads tic more gun deaths which in turn leads to higher homicide rates and incarceration for violence offences

(US Is the leader in both of those aforementioned categories)

We’ll never agree on anything and this conversation is pointless.
Let’s just live in our extreme bubbles while more schools and concerts in America get shot up and let’s just continue to say “we don’t know why this keeps happening “
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I still think theres stuff that can be done to mitigate it at least.
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if columbine wasnt enough to remove guns nothing ever will
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remind me whats bad about the shootings