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3rd best player ever

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no.1 and 2 is obviously between maxwell and myself (i'm no.1)

poll includes the top candidates for the next best.

who's the better player
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Gira
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Fantastic
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Jaguar
about 7 years
Yes. It may be impossible. It may be possible. That is all I have been saying lol. You can't state in uncertain terms that it's possible. You may consider that semantics, but it's actually a very crucial distinction.
about 7 years

Recidivism says

How can I have asserted this position when I don't even understand what you just said? Is it even possible for me to have believed this thing I don't understand?


Yes, you asserted the wrong position, because you did not understand it.

If only you would just admit you held the wrong position to begin with, but you're too determined on salvaging your Smart Guy cred by trying to say "See, Tatami's not so smart overall!" when no one actually cares how smart or dumb I am or where I go to school at all, other than you.
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shady12 says

When I said provable solution, I meant proving that the axiom is true or false. It may be that it can neither be proven true nor proven false.


Oh, it MAY BE? So what you're saying then is that the challenge isn't impossible, clearly indicated by your continued use of the qualifier MAY BE
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Tatami says

If you want to submit that paragraph to the institute, I wholeheartedly accept. I'm sure they accept email.


Wonderful. I'll get back to you with the rejection letter, and your shame-faced lack of response will be like a delicacy that I savor
about 7 years
When I said provable solution, I meant proving that the axiom is true or false. It may be that it can neither be proven true nor proven false.
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Tatami says

Actually, what I'm quoted here saying is correcting a third part saying that the challenge is certainly solvable via finding an algorithm in polynomial time, instead stating that it is likely not possible to find such a thing according to current mathematical opinion, and that a proof of the opposite is more likely.


How can I have asserted this position when I don't even understand what you just said? Is it even possible for me to have believed this thing I don't understand?
about 7 years
If you want to submit that paragraph to the institute, I wholeheartedly accept. I'm sure they accept email.
about 7 years
Actually, what's been quoted here is correcting a third party saying that the challenge is certainly solvable via finding an algorithm in polynomial time, instead stating that it is likely not possible to find such a thing according to current mathematical opinion, and that a proof of the opposite is more likely.
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shady12 says

I thought I was done, but I'll say one more thing. The paragraph which you conveniently ignored from SENPAI's post, in non-CS terms, says that there may be no provable solution to the problem. That - stay with me here for a second - would mean that the million dollar challenge is impossible. Leading mathematicians have no consensus on how, when, or if the problem will ever be solved.


They give you a million dollars for disproving it to. Maybe this is where your lack of understanding originates.

I am a lot more interested in Tatami than you.
about 7 years
I thought I was done, but I'll say one more thing. The paragraph which you conveniently ignored from SENPAI's post, in non-CS terms, says that there may be no provable solution to the problem. That - stay with me here for a second - would mean that the million dollar challenge is impossible. Leading mathematicians have no consensus on how, when, or if the problem will ever be solved.
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Tatami says


Recidivism says

It's not impossible, it's very possible.


This is completely wrong.


Your proposal is that the million dollar challenge is not possible, as you are here quoted saying.

I will then back up your proposal with all of the "evidence" you have cited in this thread.

I will then privately read you the rejection letter, which will be extremely gratifying.

I won't even post it publicly. You knowing how stupid Clayton Math thinks you are will be enough for me.
about 7 years
Sure, what are my opinions?
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I want your permission to send your opinions in this thread, which I will edit and format into an actual paper, to Clayton Math. Afterwards, I want to read you the rejection letter.

Please give me your permission. Please and thanks.
about 7 years
Sure, what is my proposal?
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Tatami says

I guess this is why I couldn't finish college.

I think I've made my point, you made a clear claim and couldn't stand when me/shady explained why that's not necessarily true.


The fact that you think I made a "clear claim" is why you couldn't finish college. Because you have a 12th grade reading comprehension level. At best.
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Please give me your permission to submit your proposal, word for word, to the Clayton Math Institute and later read you the rejection letter so that we can remind you that you're not a tenth as smart as you think you are.

That's all I want from you, you can look good on epicmafia.
about 7 years
I guess this is why I couldn't finish college.

I think I've made my point, you made a clear claim and couldn't stand when me/shady explained why that's not necessarily true.
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Tatami says

I haven't submitted an answer to P equals NP at all, only stating that it is possible either way but that most of the mathematics community thinks that P does not equal NP.

The irony of accusing others of being illiterate.


Okay do you realize how completely and utterly irrelevant this is to my point, or is this why you couldn't finish college?
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Tatami says

Recidivism: "It's very possible [to solve via efficient algorithm" "Why waste time trying to prove it impossible?"

Tatami/shady12: "Actually it's more likely impossible"

Recidivism: "I never said it wasn't"


This is why you couldn't make it in college dude. Your professors actually expect you to comprehend what you read.
about 7 years
I haven't submitted an answer to P equals NP at all, only stating that it is possible (in a "only one, but we don't know which, kind of possible") either way but that most of the mathematics community thinks that P does not equal NP.

The irony of accusing others of being illiterate.
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Let me just say, for the thirtieth time, that I do not understand computer science, haven't read a single sentence posted about P=PV or whatever the f.uck, and the million dollar challenge is possible, which is a fact, not an opinion.
about 7 years
Recidivism: "It's very possible [to solve via efficient algorithm" "Why waste time trying to prove it impossible?"

Tatami/shady12: "Actually it's more likely impossible"

Recidivism: "I never said it wasn't"
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Tatami says

I don't go to college. I work on an oil rig. I am still right. Does this bother you?

I have repeatedly said that the challenge is solvable via disproving it, but you repeatedly asserted that the efficient algorithm solution was possible (it might not be) and that trying to disprove it was a waste of time that would get you absolutely nowhere.


I don't know anything about an efficient algorithm. I have never, ever, taken a CS class, and I never will.

The idea that you think I've tried to present some thesis on CS is so f.ucking hilariously r.etarded and really indicative of your complete inability to read analytically, which is why you couldn't make it in college.

I don't know CS. I know it's possible to win a million dollars from Clayton Math Institute by solving the challenge.

If you don't think so great, you can have the popular opinion of the Epicmafia.com forums.

I want your permission to submit your comments here to the Clayton Math Institute for the sole purpose of reading you the rejection letter.
about 7 years

Recidivism says


Why don't you look up the challenge, tool! It's definitely possible to complete it, and earn the one million dollars, one way or the other.


Nevermind. Do stop.
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SENPAl says


Recidivism says

My arguing semantics is completely and objectively correct. The million dollar challenge can be completed, given 1,000 years.



Recidivism says

Actually you responded to my axiomatic claim that the challenge is possible to solve



Recidivism says

I do know that the problem is solvable.



Recidivism says

What I am saying is that the challenge is possible, which it is, which is why there is a million dollar prize for it, which isn't going to go to some kid like you who gives up on it after 90 seconds because it's too hard any damn way.



Recidivism says

The challenge is possible, according to every single paper on the subject. The challenge is to prove or disprove it.


If Gödel's Incompleteness Theorem is correct (which it generally is regarded to be), it's possible that P != NP is true, but not provable.
If P does equal to NP, so there IS an algorithm that can solve an NP complete problem in polynomial time, you can definitely find it. However, you also have to prove that this characteristic of the algorithm is true, which, again, may not be possible.

And even IF proving it is theoretically possible, doing so could take longer than the lifetime of the universe.



I love how you always write whatever is on your mind, don't stop. Just accept/admit it when you were wrong. Everyone's wrong all the time, most people just keep their wrong opinions to themselves, normally.


I am not reading anything about Computer Science. I did read your last paragraph.

Why don't you look up the challenge, tool! It's definitely possible to complete it, and earn the one million dollars, one way or the other.