Hey everyone, I've been saying I would do this for the last few days and it's finally here. An update to the classic Sandbox closed-roles setup that everyone loves! The twist is, that the community can voice their opinions on what should and shouldn't be in it! I have made a shortlist of roles, seperating them into categories of Yes, No, and Maybe. Roles in the Yes category will be going in the setup, No roles obviously will not be going in the setup, and Maybe roles are up for debate whether or not they are in the official setup or not. Of course, if you see a role in Yes or No that you believe belongs elsewhere, you're absolutely welcome to voice that opinion also and it will be taken into consideration.
Without further ado, here are the roles sorted into their categories:
Please use this thread to discuss what should be added and what shouldn't. Primarily discuss the Maybe roles, but if there are discrepancies in the Yes and No categories, please voice them here too.
Why can't we just...
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...play setups that aren't variants of 7/3/2 closed role archetypes?
YES to butterfly, agent, lightkeeper, snoop, pathologist, trickster, keymaker, cthulhu, prophet, alien, silencer, librarian (it's useful when not used d1 :^)), Don, Diab, Apprentice, Paparazzi, Mastermind
NO to Cyborg (until it gets fixed), Nomad (people use it as an investigative role??), Creepygirl (this is more of a preference,I would be ok with it still being around)
Maybe to all the rest of the maybes
200% YES to hosting non closed role setups (Bring Aliens vs Zombies and Cult vs Mason back pls)
I can go either way on Pathologist. If Journalist can be in the setup, then Pathologist should too, because they serve the same purpose during different periods.
Leader often causes confusion for inexperienced players so I would traditionally leave it out, but the other day my good friend sl0nderman said something while we were discussing game modes: expect the best, prepare for the worst. I lean towards leaving leader out, but it's the player's issue if he/she doesn't get it.
The rest of the maybe roles should be put in (except Cyborg.) Autocrat is no longer buggy as far as I know, and Creepy Girl doesn't win N1 as often as its detractors seem to believe (and does an N1 win really ruin one's day?)
Why leave Warlock out? If Monk gets in, I'd say Warlock should too. Siren isn't as essential so I don't mind it being left out.
I also don't see why leaving Turncoat out is a good idea. It does no harm and adds a little bit of intrigue while playing as mafia.
Also, did you mean to put Telepath under "maybe"? Because Whisperer is there, and it does the same thing.
Other than that, the no list and the yes list both look fine to me.
i meant to put interrogator in the yes list (will change now) but don has restrictions on it that gov doesn't, like not being able to revert a maf-lynch
surely interrogator and don should be in the yes category? especially since jailer & gov are as well
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I see quite a lot of hosts do their own thing Shwartz you're overthinking this if you don't like the lack of setup diversity you make your own like I did
in the current setups there are some pretty useless roles that i think people just sui when they get or at the very least have minimal enjoyment during the game, and i think we could do with removing them. on the flipside, there are roles that aren't in the setup (like paparazzi) that i think have no reason not to be in there.
Our default setup already suffices, the problem here is that people aren't creative enough to make their own setups and they don't want to join any setups that are different-looking in any way.
Official Sandbox Setup - Remastered
