Epicmafia

almost 8 years

thecolonel says

Arcbell says

Hey guys what's going on can someone summarize for me?

transgender isn't a race

no one said it is. i don't define myself largely on my gender, it's just the thing. the only reason you see lots of transgender people unifying and trying to be proud of being trans is because so many people like yourself try to shame them for it.

almost 8 years

idk why that article is locked behind a login thing, but the title of it is: "Largest Study to Date: Transgender Hormone Treatment Safe" which you can find on google easily

almost 8 years

thecolonel says

so why are they all still depressed and suicidal and stuff after they transition

well, here's one study that showed literally a 90% decrease in depression among transgender people who were allowed to transition: http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/827713

there's a bunch of other studies that show overall decreases in suicide rates/depression due to transitioning that i can dig up for you if you would like

but overall, i would guess that suicide/depression rates are higher among transgender people on average because society tends to be discriminatory/unaccepting of them in a number of ways

Tartosis

almost 8 years

Arcbell says

Hey guys what's going on can someone summarize for me?

Tatami made a mistake.

almost 8 years

Arcbell says

Hey guys what's going on can someone summarize for me?

transgender isn't a race

almost 8 years

epicmafia is having it's monthly transphobia segment.

almost 8 years

the doctor isn't gonna do the stuff if you don't ask for it

Arcbell

almost 8 years

Hey guys what's going on can someone summarize for me?

almost 8 years

maybe it has something to do with so much of the world hating them for something they never asked to be.

almost 8 years

so why are they all still depressed and suicidal and stuff after they transition

almost 8 years

thecolonel says

so you're saying transitioning genders is an act and not a disorder but anyone who would want to actually do it has a disorder?

nope, the key word is "Dysphoria" - it becomes a disorder when it causes extreme distress/interferes with daily life, as that is generally how mental disorders are classified. being transgender and transitioning is not mental illness - it's when it causes extreme distress.

and again, even if you try to argue that all transgender people are mentally ill, the best proven way to help them is to allow them to transition and live peacefully.

almost 8 years

so you're saying transitioning genders is an act and not a disorder but anyone who would want to actually do it has a disorder?

almost 8 years

The American Psychiatric Association, the organization that determines what is/isn't a mental disorder, said this about being transgender:

"DSM-5 aims to avoid stigma and ensure clinical care for individuals who see and feel themselves to be a different gender than their assigned gender. It replaces the diagnostic name "Gender Identity Disorder" with "Gender Dysphoria", as well as makes other important clarifications in the criteria. It is important to note that gender non-conformity is not in itself a mental disorder. The critical element of gender dysphoria is the presence of clinically significant distress associated with the condition."

So, being gender-non conforming or being transgender isn't a "disease" or an "illness" by nature, and in the case that it causes extreme distress like with gender dsyorphia, then the best possible treatment is usually to help that individual transition.

Just saying "trans is mental illness" is silly and means nothing to how they should be treated.

almost 8 years

i don't have anything against them until they start holding themselves up as the new race

almost 8 years

projectmatt says

thecolonel says

Perish says

like, really. many decades from now, you're going to be part of the next group people look back on and think "wow i can't believe people actually thought like that. how horrible."

you'll be right up there with the newly accepted schizophrenics and psychotics

are you really going to do the whole "transgender people are mentally ill" thing?

i thought even transgender people acknowledged gender dysphoria is a disease

almost 8 years

Perish says

matt says

probably won't actually lol

people who tried to stop desegregation thought the same thing, and yet, look where we are now.

FIGHT THE WHITE POWER THIS IS YOUR CALLING MAKE THE WORLD A JUST PLACE

almost 8 years

thecolonel says

Perish says

like, really. many decades from now, you're going to be part of the next group people look back on and think "wow i can't believe people actually thought like that. how horrible."

you'll be right up there with the newly accepted schizophrenics and psychotics

are you really going to do the whole "transgender people are mentally ill" thing?

matt

almost 8 years

so don't convince me

hny

almost 8 years

Perish says

how do you feel about interracial marriages, matt? do you feel they're disgusting and a crime against the natural order of humanity?

no see that's different from not liking transgender people because transgender people make me feel uncomfortable so it's ok

almost 8 years

Perish says

like, really. many decades from now, you're going to be part of the next group people look back on and think "wow i can't believe people actually thought like that. how horrible."

you'll be right up there with the newly accepted schizophrenics and psychotics

almost 8 years

matt says

probably won't actually lol

people who tried to stop desegregation thought the same thing, and yet, look where we are now.

almost 8 years

how do you feel about interracial marriages, matt? do you feel they're disgusting and a crime against the natural order of humanity?