Epicmafia

Mod Moderation System

almost 8 years

There needs to be a system in place that would allow mods to be properly measured in there ability to handle reports fairly and properly. I very much doubt that there is some one who consistently looks over every report and evaluates if mods are making the correct verdicts.

Why not implement a way to allow the community to "vote" on the end report verdicts and let the players decide if they believe the decision is fair or not. This would prevent any sort of mod abuse and allows the people who run the site an easy way to evaluate wether or not the mods are doing there job well. This also would be helpful for mods in the appeal process, as mods would be able to read the results and if the overwhelming majority of people believe the verdict given was incorrect, they know that the report needs to be reassessed.

One possible way to do this would be to implement a poll after a report decision has been made. Mods would still have the ultimate power in the final decision, but at least this way we give the community an easy route to help improve and monitor the site.

Do you believe this is good idea?

Yes

ReverseNinthMushroom

almost 8 years

Venus says

If the poll was reversed would you be saying oh it's just a small sample of people voting

I would suggest a potential poll on the main lobby page to generate a more accurate opinion on the idea.

ReverseNinthMushroom

almost 8 years

Rutab says

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Rutab says

So why wouldn't your suggestion inevitably attract a small unrepresentative sample size to the reports section as well?

Small sample size = forums
Entire population - main page

Just for ghits and shiggles, link this topic on the main page?

Also, the community has as much power now as it would have under your system

I can assure you they do not. Im sure if enough people make a big deal about a certain report, sure you would willing to appeal it, but it takes so much more effort, to generate interest in it, where this system is extremely simple and visible to all users.

Rutab

almost 8 years

ReverseNinthMushroom says

Rutab says

So why wouldn't your suggestion inevitably attract a small unrepresentative sample size to the reports section as well?

Small sample size = forums
Entire population - main page

Just for ghits and shiggles, link this topic on the main page?

Also, the community has as much power now as it would have under your system

ReverseNinthMushroom

almost 8 years

Rutab says

So why wouldn't your suggestion inevitably attract a small unrepresentative sample size to the reports section as well?

Small sample size = forums
Entire population - main page

ReverseNinthMushroom

almost 8 years

Rutab says

Also, the community has a lot of power to disagree with mods right now

Anyone can contact the active admins (Nathan/fnoof) or lucid via email, and they can all make big deals out of nothing or something.

What would any of your suggestions add or change?

What power does the community have, sure they can complain and give you a hard time but they dont have any power. Plus everyday users are not going to go out of there way to contact mods or even know to do that. Ive explained what the goal of this is multiple times.

deletedalmost 8 years

If the poll was reversed would you be saying oh it's just a small sample of people voting

deletedalmost 8 years

It'll be a huge waste of everyone's time.

Rutab

almost 8 years

So why wouldn't your suggestion inevitably attract a small unrepresentative sample size to the reports section as well?

deletedalmost 8 years

It's a bad suggestion

ReverseNinthMushroom

almost 8 years

Rutab says

Just a thought:

What do you think of the overwhelming majority of "No" in your poll on the right?

Only a small minority of players are active on the forums so this is a small sample size (22). The majority of the players are not fully considering the idea and are just jumping to the worst conclusions They dont realize that the main purpose of this topic is to bring up the idea of "checks and balances" and the idea of a poll is simply a suggestion

Bebop

almost 8 years

this will never work, give it up

deletedalmost 8 years

Venus says

And if polls really do count why doesn't this one count

Rutab

almost 8 years

Also, the community has a lot of power to disagree with mods right now

Anyone can contact the active admins (Nathan/fnoof) or lucid via email, and they can all make big deals out of nothing or something.

What would any of your suggestions add or change?

Rutab

almost 8 years

Just a thought:

What do you think of the overwhelming majority of "No" in your poll on the right?

ReverseNinthMushroom

almost 8 years

StanleyPower says

it sounds like youre going for some kinda reddit system of upvoting and downvoting. Dont you realize that that system gives extreme weight to the first few votes. It would only take like 3 or 4 accounts to game the entire system.

What do you mean? If the report needs attention to thats the entire point, get the reports that actually need attention to them over the ones that dont, there could easily be a lock system after a certain amount of time.

ReverseNinthMushroom

almost 8 years

Rutab says

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Rutab says

Not to mention the confounding variable of user bias based on friendships and personal experiences.

There's no way you can get people to objectively vote in a poll with what they truly believe instead of trying to help their friends out.

Once again there should be a certain amount of votes in disagreement of the mods decision so unless this person has a great deal of friends voting for them it shouldn't become an issue, plus its easy to see who are friends of each other and you can take that into consideration.

You underestimate the community of multiple cliques my friend

Everyone has the ability to vote just not one "clique" so like you say even if there multiple groups of people the other groups would still have a say and once again the mods will have the final say.

I'm sorry but your response still doesn't clear up that flaw though

There's no way this is going to work the way you want it to, and frankly it's not going to ever happen

The poll is just a suggestion not the definitive way to go, i just feel there needs to be a way that the community can actually evaluate mods choices and act upon it.

How does it not clear it up? Not everyone is apart of a clique if one group of people can vote one way another can vote another way and once again the mods have the final decision if its clear that the votes are biased they will acknowledge that. If people abuse you remove there privilege.

deletedalmost 8 years

it sounds like youre going for some kinda reddit system of upvoting and downvoting. Dont you realize that that system gives extreme weight to the first few votes. It would only take like 3 or 4 accounts to game the entire system.

ReverseNinthMushroom

almost 8 years

StanleyPower says

how would players make it clear which reports need to be voted on? what basis do you have to claim that incentives wouldn't be necessary? How can you possibly claim that the community would be any more engaged in this system, than the complaints forum? (0 chance of higher engagement in a nonsocial system) You said there are EASY incentives, so if theyre so easy, you wouldnt need to dodge the pretty simple question.

I often see complaints in the lobby as well as the forums, there could also be a way to sort reports in regards to amount of votes on them which would directly bring attention to them, the current upvote system for reports could be reworked so that when a vote is made it goes up this will allow the more controversial issues to be brought attention to. I personally believe that people would not need any direct incentive to encourage there participations although if necessary you could provide ranks, cosmetics multiple other routes that could be taken incentive wise. A lot of players do not look at the forums and even if they do there opinions usually aren't acknowledged. This way people know there voices will be heard and theres a direct path to do so.

Rutab

almost 8 years

ReverseNinthMushroom says

Rutab says

ReverseNinthMushroom says

Rutab says

Not to mention the confounding variable of user bias based on friendships and personal experiences.

There's no way you can get people to objectively vote in a poll with what they truly believe instead of trying to help their friends out.

Once again there should be a certain amount of votes in disagreement of the mods decision so unless this person has a great deal of friends voting for them it shouldn't become an issue, plus its easy to see who are friends of each other and you can take that into consideration.

You underestimate the community of multiple cliques my friend

Everyone has the ability to vote just not one "clique" so like you say even if there multiple groups of people the other groups would still have a say and once again the mods will have the final say.

I'm sorry but your response still doesn't clear up that flaw though

There's no way this is going to work the way you want it to, and frankly it's not going to ever happen

ReverseNinthMushroom

almost 8 years

Rutab says

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StanleyPower says

What incentives can em offer that wouldn't also reward people who are randomly voting?

Actual incentives should only be necessary if there is a lack of participation in the system, but with its current design the players would make it clear what reports need to be voted on and the participation should be more then enough, but once again the final decision still lies with the mods, this just holds them accountable.

I'm also really confused on how you think there will be a spike in report reviewing/participation because of a random poll added at the end. What will you do to ensure people participate?

Once again the community will make it clear what reports need to be evaluated.

Okay, but what's going to make the community want to do any of this?

Also, what happens if people disagree with the mod's verdict?

Does the verdict get automatically repealed? Does it go the admin? What happens?

Should be heavily considered for an overturn if the majority believe so, in the end it should still be the mods final decision, but they should listen to the community.

deletedalmost 8 years

I'm sorry but you do not have any idea what this community is like.

deletedalmost 8 years

How do you make sure people aren't voting for their friends?

ReverseNinthMushroom

almost 8 years

Rutab says

ReverseNinthMushroom says

Rutab says

Not to mention the confounding variable of user bias based on friendships and personal experiences.

There's no way you can get people to objectively vote in a poll with what they truly believe instead of trying to help their friends out.

Once again there should be a certain amount of votes in disagreement of the mods decision so unless this person has a great deal of friends voting for them it shouldn't become an issue, plus its easy to see who are friends of each other and you can take that into consideration.

You underestimate the community of multiple cliques my friend

Everyone has the ability to vote just not one "clique" so like you say even if there multiple groups of people the other groups would still have a say and once again the mods will have the final say.

Rutab

almost 8 years

ReverseNinthMushroom says

Rutab says

ReverseNinthMushroom says

StanleyPower says

What incentives can em offer that wouldn't also reward people who are randomly voting?

Actual incentives should only be necessary if there is a lack of participation in the system, but with its current design the players would make it clear what reports need to be voted on and the participation should be more then enough, but once again the final decision still lies with the mods, this just holds them accountable.

I'm also really confused on how you think there will be a spike in report reviewing/participation because of a random poll added at the end. What will you do to ensure people participate?

Once again the community will make it clear what reports need to be evaluated.

Okay, but what's going to make the community want to do any of this?

Also, what happens if people disagree with the mod's verdict?

Does the verdict get automatically repealed? Does it go the admin? What happens?

deletedalmost 8 years

No one is going to review reports out of the goodness of their hearts.