Epicmafia

Mod Moderation System

almost 8 years

There needs to be a system in place that would allow mods to be properly measured in there ability to handle reports fairly and properly. I very much doubt that there is some one who consistently looks over every report and evaluates if mods are making the correct verdicts.

Why not implement a way to allow the community to "vote" on the end report verdicts and let the players decide if they believe the decision is fair or not. This would prevent any sort of mod abuse and allows the people who run the site an easy way to evaluate wether or not the mods are doing there job well. This also would be helpful for mods in the appeal process, as mods would be able to read the results and if the overwhelming majority of people believe the verdict given was incorrect, they know that the report needs to be reassessed.

One possible way to do this would be to implement a poll after a report decision has been made. Mods would still have the ultimate power in the final decision, but at least this way we give the community an easy route to help improve and monitor the site.

Do you believe this is good idea?

Yes

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Let's make it a voting system so I can rig it, or strong-arm people into voting for me.

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ReverseNinthMushroom says

Kylo says

ReverseNinthMushroom says

Rutab says

ReverseNinthMushroom says

They're not effective at all, as soon as the verdict is made, no one is going back to look at the comments this whole process should be taking place after the verdict has been given not during.

Doesn't this point contradict your entire argument for a poll or other post-verdict method of analysis?

No... This is the solution. The current post verdict system is ineffective, thats why there needs to be a change.

So your solution is make it a popularity contest and let the cool kids run everything?

You could just ask lucid to admin me, you know, we don't have to be so roundabout.

The community doesent choose the mods, the community decides on verdicts made by the mods then the mods can analyze the results and make a decision using this information but not limited.

So as the most popular user I am the admin, and I decide which mods are right and which mods are wrong?

Sounds good.

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Rutab says

Sulfur says

Rutab says

I accidentally deleted that post, but it was this:

Sulfur says

It's not popular because mods want absolute power over their decisions, and that is not the way to go about this.

You have a very dark view of the mods, friend.

How else should I view the mods other than as circle jerkers that give zero crap about the community?

Bruh if this is true then none of us would actually be doing reports or everything we already do

It's not a good job when it's not done correctly. Also, admins give like zero crap about the people truly interested in helping this community. Instead, they choose cheaters and banned users to moderate the website.

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https://epicmafia.com/report/202919

There was no attempt to blitz. I was given an ISP violation for "negligence". I read the game and still saw no way that he was confirmed mafia. It could've been that nipple was town flipping their read. Instead, the mods decide to shut the appeal down before hearing anything I had to say. They should have questioned me further about my read on nipple, but they shut it down immediately instead or without notifying me and asking me about my reads.

Rutab

almost 8 years

Anyways, I'll be back to check on this later. I have to go to work now.

Later

Rutab

almost 8 years

Sulfur says

Rutab says

I accidentally deleted that post, but it was this:

Sulfur says

It's not popular because mods want absolute power over their decisions, and that is not the way to go about this.

You have a very dark view of the mods, friend.

How else should I view the mods other than as circle jerkers that give zero crap about the community?

Bruh if this is true then none of us would actually be doing reports or everything we already do

ReverseNinthMushroom

almost 8 years

Kylo says

ReverseNinthMushroom says

Rutab says

ReverseNinthMushroom says

They're not effective at all, as soon as the verdict is made, no one is going back to look at the comments this whole process should be taking place after the verdict has been given not during.

Doesn't this point contradict your entire argument for a poll or other post-verdict method of analysis?

No... This is the solution. The current post verdict system is ineffective, thats why there needs to be a change.

So your solution is make it a popularity contest and let the cool kids run everything?

You could just ask lucid to admin me, you know, we don't have to be so roundabout.

The community doesent choose the mods, the community decides on verdicts made by the mods then the mods can analyze the results and make a decision using this information but not limited.

Rutab

almost 8 years

ReverseNinthMushroom says

there can easily be point minimum for people who vote which would avoid an influx of alt trolls

This is your best comment yet, but it still wouldn't work.

There's no surefire way to get the community involved more than they already are. Like I said, everyone is free to publicly or privately take up discussion with the mods if they are questioning a verdict.

Can you please give me examples of the mishandled reports while we're at it? This would be great to look at if they're truly wrong.

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Rutab says

I accidentally deleted that post, but it was this:

Sulfur says

It's not popular because mods want absolute power over their decisions, and that is not the way to go about this.

You have a very dark view of the mods, friend.

How else should I view the mods other than as circle jerkers that give zero crap about the community?

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I humbly accept your nomination for coolest and most popular user, and thus admin.

ReverseNinthMushroom

almost 8 years

there can easily be point minimum for people who vote which would avoid an influx of alt trolls

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ReverseNinthMushroom says

Rutab says

ReverseNinthMushroom says

They're not effective at all, as soon as the verdict is made, no one is going back to look at the comments this whole process should be taking place after the verdict has been given not during.

Doesn't this point contradict your entire argument for a poll or other post-verdict method of analysis?

No... This is the solution. The current post verdict system is ineffective, thats why there needs to be a change.

So your solution is make it a popularity contest and let the cool kids run everything?

You could just ask lucid to admin me, you know, we don't have to be so roundabout.

Rutab

almost 8 years

I accidentally deleted that post, but it was this:

Sulfur says

It's not popular because mods want absolute power over their decisions, and that is not the way to go about this.

You have a very dark view of the mods, friend.

ReverseNinthMushroom

almost 8 years

Rutab says

ReverseNinthMushroom says

They're not effective at all, as soon as the verdict is made, no one is going back to look at the comments this whole process should be taking place after the verdict has been given not during.

Doesn't this point contradict your entire argument for a poll or other post-verdict method of analysis?

No... This is the solution. The current post verdict system is ineffective, thats why there needs to be a change.

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^ hard to post correctly with hooves

Rutab

almost 8 years

Sulfur says

It's not popular because mods want absolute power over their decisions, and that is not the way to go about this.

You have a very devious view of the mods, friend

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Hey James ABC, NinthMushroom the Moderator seems kind of dumb to me. It'd be pretty funny if you spammed the vote system with alts and got him demodded, I mean why not?

Rutab

almost 8 years

ReverseNinthMushroom says

They're not effective at all, as soon as the verdict is made, no one is going back to look at the comments this whole process should be taking place after the verdict has been given not during.

Doesn't this point contradict your entire argument for a poll or other post-verdict method of analysis?

Rutab

almost 8 years

Well if it's really that bad, can you cite some examples? It shouldn't be hard if there are so many. The appeals system is in place so we do not mishandle a lot of reports.

PainFoinmr

almost 8 years

ReverseNinthMushroom says

- Serious players should make up the majority and should easily outweigh the few select trolls

This utopia isn't real.

Also while I'm paying a visit to forums. Do you really think this player's behavior was acceptable? https://epicmafia.com/report/203564
Rutab, would you pay a minute to elaborate with your opinion?

ReverseNinthMushroom

almost 8 years

Although i never said that this idea was limited to a poll Your sample is from an extremely small minority of the players i dont know what "many many" is I would need an actual number to respond that.

As long as the mods are actually doing what they are supposed to this would definitely make there jobs easier. Less community harassment and more accurate vio decision and an easier route for appeals. How is being able to see mods abilities to make correct decisions not a good way to measure there performance?

They're not effective at all, as soon as the verdict is made, no one is going back to look at the comments this whole process should be taking place after the verdict has been given not during.

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Hey thecolonel, Sulfur said something I didn't like. Let's rile people up and get him demodded with our new favorite handy troll tool: Democracy.

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I'd pretend to disagree with mods whether I agreed with them or not if I didn't like that moderator

Lol!

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It's not popular because mods want absolute power over their decisions, and that is not the way to go about this.

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Rutab says

Sulfur says

Sulfur says

Implement a trial system where mods train new mods in training and teach them how to handle reports. Bring back the trial system.

Also, this can work in a way that lets mods choose who they think is ready for the position of modding. Admins are very biased in who they pick as moderators.

Moderating isn't that hard. There doesn't need to be a way to "train" new mods. In our Moderators Only subforum there are plenty of helpful threads that get you through the basics of modding. Not only that, but we're able to easily communicate with each other if there are any issues.

Besides, this was already tried once, and it wasn't popular within the group of mods or in the community.

You clearly haven't seen the amount of reports being mishandled. Nothing you say will make me believe that this is a good system.