There needs to be a system in place that would allow mods to be properly measured in there ability to handle reports fairly and properly. I very much doubt that there is some one who consistently looks over every report and evaluates if mods are making the correct verdicts.
Why not implement a way to allow the community to "vote" on the end report verdicts and let the players decide if they believe the decision is fair or not. This would prevent any sort of mod abuse and allows the people who run the site an easy way to evaluate wether or not the mods are doing there job well. This also would be helpful for mods in the appeal process, as mods would be able to read the results and if the overwhelming majority of people believe the verdict given was incorrect, they know that the report needs to be reassessed.
One possible way to do this would be to implement a poll after a report decision has been made. Mods would still have the ultimate power in the final decision, but at least this way we give the community an easy route to help improve and monitor the site.
Do you believe this is good idea?
37
No
16
Yes
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I read random reports/games when I'm bored and need a good laugh. Do you know how many stupid/salty reports are made a day? Do you know how funny half of them are because the offending player doesn't get any vio?
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reverse, Im a little confused here.
You expect everyday em players to just read random games? why? At least in the current system, people can make a thread in complaints (for everyone to see) and implore people/other moderators to read their games to double check the ruling. Why, under your system, would random people read random reports?
Even if someone makes a complaint thread that gets a lot of community participation and goes on for pages on end, you can tell only a small percentage of participators even bothered to read the game
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I don't see Venus coming up with anything. Nor do I see any of the detractors of this idea coming up with anything.
why would you hire more mods to make sure all community votes were valid/etc, instead of just a mod to QA reports?
if you want to be involved as a community, you already have the tools to do it. mod actions are made public and you can see the reports as well as any violations that are given or deletion of reports
checks and balances is just a really poor way to argue for this because again, it'd be a lot more efficient to just hire a smaller team to do that within the adminisitration rather than have the community do it
Please explain why it wont make it anymore fair and how it will take a lot more time. I cant properly address your concern if you don't provide examples to backup your argument.
So give lobby mods the ability to check alts, if they're mods thats a reasonable ability they should have.
Everyone is getting caught up in the idea of the "poll" though. The poll was just a possible solution, the main concern is the need for a better functioning system of checks and balances, because right now mods have ALL the power.
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This won't make it anymore fair. In fact it will probably make it less fair. It will take a lot more time. Lobby mods can't technically check alts.
This should not require much more work. Most reports verdicts are fair, and would not be effected by this change if the community agrees with the mod then no further action is needed, it should really be less then 5% of reports that would be effected by this system. So the extra time needed ideally would be minimum, if anything it would reduce the amount of time that mods would have to deal with appeals, as this would help determine which mods are not doing there job well and then they can correct it.
Plus if you sign up to be a mod you should be willing to put in the work to make sure the site is run fairly time should not be an issue. You also have the ability to recruit more mods and you now would have a system to help monitor there abilities, in the long run this make things run much more smoothly.
basically you want an easier way for the community to judge the mods doing reports, while giving the mods more work to do themselves (because they have to check how valid votes even are/etc)
do you understand that?
reports are literally sitting there publicly for you to look and judge if you want, so you can practically DO what you're asking for
what you're asking for is basically what happens in complaint threads when somebodys appeal doesn't go the way they want
the only thing i would even agree with is that some sort of lead or admin should probably oversee appeals, since yeah, that is where you're mostly going to see how well a moderator is doing reports
You can complain all you want but they hold the final decision and theres nothing you can do about it, where in this situation mods can be held accountable.
And once again this would make the admins job's easier regarding enforcement of mod's behavior. They can literally see how often a mod is making the wrong decision, I assume your not implying that an admin looks through every single report to make sure the verdict is correct?
Poll was just an example of a possible solution not the definitive solution, most of the voters don't understand or fully think through what im proposing and jump to the worst conclusions.
Unless there changing there ip per alt mods would be able to see that they're alts of players, and in the rare instances that this happens MODS STILL HOLD THE FINAL DECISION, they would clearly see that the report was vio worth, and take note of the offenders who abused the system.
luckily for you reports are made public so you can see what people are reporting and how mods are handling the reports.
nothing's really stopping you from doing this if you really wanted to as a community and then showing your findings to the admins. ultimately the admin is there to enforce that moderators are correctly modding
basically what you suggested is probably not going to happen in a system that will be supported by the admin, but you're lucky that reports are even made public so have a blast if you want to try it out
implying that would make it fair. I've checked alts numerous times. And checking them for a crappy poll isn't worth the time. And btw seem you like polls so much you should probably follow this one that says it's a bad idea.
