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Reworking Whispers

almost 8 years

Reworking the whisper mechanic, a role patrol special edition.

We've all gotten screwed by that one whisper that just HAD to leak and ruin the game for us. So we got to thinking, why should whispering, which is a very important part of the game, be left up to crappy RNG? So here's what we came up with:

  1. Old random leaks are done away with.

  2. Instead, after the first whisper between two users, subsequent whispers have a chance to leak participants.

  3. The more whispers that are exchanged between the two users, the greater the chance to leak grows.

  4. Everyone will receive a system message that reads as "User A whispered something to User B..."

  5. Roles that force leaks such as the Loudmouth reveal the content of the whisper.

With this system, a few concepts that went into whispers come into play. Like original whispers, people will still be seeings who you are communicating with, but now the contents won't cause a problem. The whispers only start to get revealed if you whisper too much, which stops the mafia from having improvised day meetings without suspicion. Finally, it still allows for some interaction with roles that deal with whispers (currently only the LM, but maybe more in the future).

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I use whispers...
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When called for
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the entire game, I talk only in whispers
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Never
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Only when claiming
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admin says

ok, i've added the new whisper mechanics, lemme know if it doesn't work


oh i got fooled by necrobumping
deletedover 7 years
your argument is flawed because whispering will never randomly lose you the game.

when you whisper you make a risk assessment of if the messages are worth the risk of being outted, and you can play around the leak mechanic by coding messages. if you are mafia you can arrange code at night, and as town just

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logic.
over 7 years

admin says

the formula for being overheard is, starting with 0, +5% with each message, with maximum of 50%


Is the system valid?
almost 8 years
Alternative idea to random leaking using proxemics.

Three 'boundaries'

- Social space: You don't see or hear any whispers.
- Personal space: You see that two players are whispering to each other, but not the contents.
- Intimate space: You see who someone is whispering to, and what they're saying.

Everyone starts out in social space.

When YOU whisper SOMEONE ELSE, you enter their personal space for 15 seconds.

When SOMEONE ELSE whispers YOU, you enter their intimate space for 15 seconds.

So basically instead of randomly leaking, you have to whisper another player to figure out if they're whispering someone else – which throws the "X and Y are whispering each other so in this setup they're confirmed scum" mechanic out the window.
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tos ripoff
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admin says


Herredy says

Tbh I think the old whisper system worked fine...
I don't like how the contents of leaked whispers are kept hidden... which I believe are aspects of the game that makes things interesting and require strategies to be built around


i never changed this aspect. it should still be 25% chance of content being hidden, 75% of it all leaking


That's fair enough, I suppose
almost 8 years

Ohdearmycatisgone says


Golbolco says


cub says


Anne says

I liked the way whispers operated before. The leaks were perfect. I can understand why contact non-meets is a bit of an issue, but whispers weren't designed around that anyways.


what is perfect about randomly losing the game because of a leak you have no control over and can't in any way begin to predict

do you even play mafia


According to some of the brilliant minds in this thread, losing the game out of nowhere on day one is part of the fun.



AONick says

doesnt seem that there is much consequence at all when content doesnt leak. with content leaking you have to be careful what information you communicate and not rely too much on whispering






admin says


Herredy says

Tbh I think the old whisper system worked fine...
I don't like how the contents of leaked whispers are kept hidden... which I believe are aspects of the game that makes things interesting and require strategies to be built around


i never changed this aspect. it should still be 25% chance of content being hidden, 75% of it all leaking

almost 8 years
the formula for being overheard is, starting with 0, +5% with each message, with maximum of 50%
almost 8 years

Herredy says

Tbh I think the old whisper system worked fine...
I don't like how the contents of leaked whispers are kept hidden... which I believe are aspects of the game that makes things interesting and require strategies to be built around


i never changed this aspect. it should still be 25% chance of content being hidden, 75% of it all leaking
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Golbolco says


cub says


Anne says

I liked the way whispers operated before. The leaks were perfect. I can understand why contact non-meets is a bit of an issue, but whispers weren't designed around that anyways.


what is perfect about randomly losing the game because of a leak you have no control over and can't in any way begin to predict

do you even play mafia


According to some of the brilliant minds in this thread, losing the game out of nowhere on day one is part of the fun.



AONick says

doesnt seem that there is much consequence at all when content doesnt leak. with content leaking you have to be careful what information you communicate and not rely too much on whispering

almost 8 years

cub says


Anne says

I liked the way whispers operated before. The leaks were perfect. I can understand why contact non-meets is a bit of an issue, but whispers weren't designed around that anyways.


what is perfect about randomly losing the game because of a leak you have no control over and can't in any way begin to predict

do you even play mafia


According to some of the brilliant minds in this thread, losing the game out of nowhere on day one is part of the fun.
almost 8 years

Anne says

I liked the way whispers operated before. The leaks were perfect. I can understand why contact non-meets is a bit of an issue, but whispers weren't designed around that anyways.


what is perfect about randomly losing the game because of a leak you have no control over and can't in any way begin to predict

do you even play mafia
almost 8 years
doesnt seem that there is much consequence at all when content doesnt leak. with content leaking you have to be careful what information you communicate and not rely too much on whispering

if whispers really have to work like this, i'd prefer at least an option to set whether the content is revealed or not when creating a game
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SirAmelio says

this change is an huge change that affects everyone, in sandbox, main, and every other lobby.


can we put it up to a vote instead, lucid?


I definitely agree with this. There should be a vote.
deletedalmost 8 years
Tbh I think the old whisper system worked fine...
I don't like how the contents of leaked whispers are kept hidden... which I believe are aspects of the game that makes things interesting and require strategies to be built around
almost 8 years
Let's keep to it constructive discussion, please.
almost 8 years
Only took all of the sandboxer's brain cells to say "Yep" and then later edit her post when something witty by sandbox standards came to her mind.
deletedalmost 8 years
Yep

Edit:
Only took the danganmafia player 5 posts to turn whispers into a reason to ban people
almost 8 years
So it's okay to excessively whisper someone without the actual force leak feature on and not get banned despite unintentionally ruining the game for most people?
almost 8 years
Oh I'm glad you came with serious discussion in mind.
almost 8 years
Yeah, but it's what I want so it takes priority.
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Anne says

I liked the way whispers operated before. The leaks were perfect. I can understand why contact non-meets is a bit of an issue, but whispers weren't designed around that anyways.


Whispers also aren't designed around how much you want to talk to your friends in game. There are game mechanics to take into consideration.
almost 8 years
I liked the way whispers operated before. The leaks were perfect. I can understand why contact non-meets is a bit of an issue, but whispers weren't designed around that anyways.
almost 8 years

Naegiri says

needs an option to turn it off/on when creating games



Anne says

The complaint is that the leaks become super excessive after a while. This makes it unenjoyable and spammy to people not involved in the whispers and from what I've seen, it doesn't take many to have most of them leaking.


Is 50% of the time excessive in your opinion? What would be your ideal leaking percentage?
almost 8 years
The complaint is that the leaks become super excessive after a while. This makes it unenjoyable and spammy to people not involved in the whispers and from what I've seen, it doesn't take many to have most of them leaking.