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The Bible Thread

Kaioxys
about 8 years

Ask anything. I will not answer you. I will give you God's answer straight out of the Bible.

"For all the things that were written beforehand were written for our instruction, so that through endurance and through the comfort from the scriptures we might have hope." - Romans 15:4

As time goes by, I will add important teachings to this opening thread, for ease of access to popular topics.

If you want to ask me personal questions, just PM me.

NOTES: 1.) I answer the questions in the order they were received. But if I feel that an answer I gave was either incorrect or not complete enough, I will definitely go back and revise it. 2.) I cite ALOT of scriptures, and when I do that, it's not so you can just assume that there's a scripture related to what I said. I want you to look it up yourself. You can do that easily by copy/pasting the cited scripture into the search field at: wol.jw.org Once you do that, you can view multiple translations by clicking the verse number, and you can see the chapter that the verse is from by clicking the link to the citation.

POPULAR TOPICS:
Divine Genocide: See my response to ProjectMatt on page 1(it's 2 posts) Homosexuality: https://www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/awake-no4-2016-august/bible-say-about-being-gay/

Whitepimp007
about 8 years
Every day I check back to see if Kaioxys will either continue proselytizing or completely abandon his irrational god belief.

Shock
about 8 years
I hope all religious people die.
deletedabout 8 years
I see you didn't pick up anything I was saying nor understood what I meant so we will just move on. I don't debate religion online anyways :P
Whitepimp007
about 8 years

JeffreyAaron says

Just a comment, Whitepimp. Many sects believe God and Christ are different, while some believe they are the same. In the Old Testament, Lord/God is used to refer to Jesus in some parts and "God the Father" in other parts. That's why it seems there's a discrepancy. Christ is the "God of Israel" whereas they refer to "God the Father" differently at times.

TL;DR: The Bible is one big confusing sh*tfest and I think the only way to ever know wtf you're doing if you're religious is to pray and hope God guides you as you see guiding.


I studied theology up and down for many years. It was my search for what is true that led me to conclude that the Bible and it's origins were not divinely inspired. I also have a casual understanding of biblical greek and can muddle my way through the hebrew as well. I've written sermons and taught classes on some of the more complex theological issues such as bloodless atonement, divine command theory, the perils of transubstantiation, the effects of a calvinistic worldview, amyraldism, and the reformed church. I'm not trying to sound stuck up, though I read this and I sound like it. I'm trying to explain that I have a really good grasp of the actual meaning of given passages. I'm not playing fast and lose with different verses to make the Bible appear to contradict itself.

Just a smaller example:

Exodus 32:14 - **So the LORD changed His mind** about the harm which He said He would do to His people.

Numbers 23:19 - God is not human, that he should lie, not a human being, **that he should change his mind**. Does he speak and then not act? Does he promise and not fulfill?

Logic is really this simple. Either God changes his mind and Numbers is incorrect, or God does not change his mind and Exodus is incorrect. Alternatively, the Judeo-Christian God described in the Bible does not exist and both Exodus and Numbers are incorrect.
JeffreyAaron
about 8 years
Just a comment, Whitepimp. Many sects believe God and Christ are different, while some believe they are the same. In the Old Testament, Lord/God is used to refer to Jesus in some parts and "God the Father" in other parts. That's why it seems there's a discrepancy. Christ is the "God of Israel" whereas they refer to "God the Father" differently at times.

TL;DR: The Bible is one big confusing sh*tfest and I think the only way to ever know wtf you're doing if you're religious is to pray and hope God guides you as you see guiding.
Whitepimp007
about 8 years
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deletedabout 8 years
according to the bible, 99% of america is going to hell, even the christians
Goodbar
about 8 years
the more i pray, the more i love you
cute
about 8 years
why won't john goodbar love me
Goodbar
about 8 years
smh, why does it seem like some christians believe in the sinfulness of homosexuality more than god. the explanation is that someday a gay christian couple will love god so much that they will stop loving each other? yikes
Whitepimp007
about 8 years
For bonus points, please tell us how a perfect being "repents". Who does he repent to? Why does he repent? How can he be perfect if he repents?
Whitepimp007
about 8 years

Kaioxys says

This goes along perfectly with what is written in Malachi 3:6(old testament) which says "I am Jehovah, I do not change."

Some people say that God has changed. They are going beyond what is written. (1 Corinthians 4:6)


I wrote out a fairly long argument, but I deleted it all and decided to list some Bible verses instead. Please observe the following scriptures in the context of an clearly mutable, but claimed immutable being:

Jonah 3:10 - And God saw their works, that they turned from their evil way; and God repented of the evil, that he had said that he would do unto them; and he did it not.

Malachi 3:6 - "I the LORD do not change. So you, the descendants of Jacob, are not destroyed.

Exodus 32:14 - So the LORD changed His mind about the harm which He said He would do to His people.

Numbers 23:19 - God is not human, that he should lie, not a human being, that he should change his mind. Does he speak and then not act? Does he promise and not fulfill?

Jeremiah 26:19 - "Did he not fear the LORD and entreat the favor of the LORD, and the LORD changed His mind about the misfortune which He had pronounced against them?"

James 1:17 - Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and comes down from the Father of lights, with whom there is no variation or shadow of turning.

Amos 7:3 - The LORD changed His mind about this. "It shall not be," said the LORD.

1 Samuel 15:29 - "Also the Glory of Israel will not lie or change His mind; for He is not a man that He should change His mind."

Amos 7:6 - The LORD changed His mind about this. "This too shall not be," said the Lord GOD.

Isaiah 31:2 - Yet He also is wise and will bring disaster And does not retract His words

Jeremiah 18:8 - If that nation, concerning which I have spoken, turns from its evil, I will relent of the disaster that I intended to do to it.
Whitepimp007
about 8 years

YHWH says




The fact that you posted this and your username is the tetragrammaton makes me laugh uncontrollably. I think I just snorted.
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Some of my fave quotes scrutinizing religion that have made me entirely skeptical

"There is no religion without love, and people may talk as much as they like about their religion, but if it does not teach them to be good and kind to other animals as well as humans, it is all a sham."
--Anna Sewell

"But who prays for Satan? Who, in eighteen centuries, has had the common humanity to pray for the one sinner that needed it most?"
— Mark Twain
YHWH
about 8 years

formerneet says




zambi
about 8 years
damn, you got me ... I have another one ...
magnets

how can magnets work without god's magic?
UltraAug
about 8 years
How can mirrors be real if our eyes aren't real
zambi
about 8 years
nah .
Kaioxys
about 8 years

Sonrio says

i remember reading somewhere that if u got a divorce or smth you had to get stoned to death. but in this case which definition of stoned? id love either


I'll start with the definition of 'stoned'. Stoning in the bible is a term that refers to the picking up of stones and throwing at someone until they die. Take a look at the kingdom interlinear translation between Greek and English of Acts 7:58. it reads "|and| |having-ejected| |outside| |the| |city| |they-were-throwing-stones|." So the literal translation of the word stoning has the root word throwing in it. All uses of this terminology in the bible are harmonious with this definition.

As for the laws on divorcing a wife, in the mosaic law it is written at Deuteronomy 24:1-5. Basically at that time they were allowed to give their wives a certificate of divorce if they didn't like them. No stoning involved.

However, notice that Jehovah hates Divorce. (Malachi 2:16) Also, notice what Jesus said on the matter: "Out of regard for your hard-heartedness, Moses made the concession to you of divorcing your wives, but that has not been the case from the beginning. I say to you that whoever divorces his wife, except on the grounds of sexual immorality, and marries another commits adultery." - Matthew 19:8,9

But the mosaic law is no longer in effect upon God's servants. (See Jeremiah 31:31-34 for when the idea of a new covenant was introduced, and then read Matthew 5:17 and Colossians 2:14.) So, as Jesus said, "What God has yoked together, let no man put apart." - Matthew 19:6
deletedabout 8 years
fun fact:no one here is christian
Dariukas47
about 8 years
fun fact: the bible was written using a computer to trick all of you fools
Kaioxys
about 8 years

Jeff says

I don't believe infants can go to Hell, but that's because I don't believe in the Catholic belief that babies are "born with Adam's sin". They think a baby must be cleansed or they go to Hell, whereas I believe that an infant is clean. Also, someone who doesn't know right from wrong can't be held accountable for "sinning" if they don't know what is "not sinning". For example, a random 30 year old woman in China who doesn't know of Christian values should never be seen as someone condemned to Hell for not following a doctrine she isn't aware of.

Also does not make sense to me that churches baptize people at such young ages. Why let the parents choose when a kid should be baptized? Shouldn't the person being baptized CHOOSE if they want to "make promises with God"?


You are correct. However I would like you to cite scriptures when you answer questions. That way people know you aren't just talking out of your head.

The scriptural principles here are Romans 4:15; 5:13
"Where there is no law, neither is there any transgression"; "sin is not charged against anyone when there is no law."

As for infant baptism, here's an article with a ton of scriptures to check out: http://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1200000555?&p=par#h=18
Kaioxys
about 8 years

projectmatt says


Kaioxys says


projectmatt says

Assuming that all choices that God makes are moral and that the Bible is an accurate representation of God, Why does He command genocide in 1 Samuel 15:2–3?



(words)


Thanks for the response, but this answer still seems fairly wrong.

It's basically saying "Because a certain amount of the Amalekites came after Israel, every women/child/man/animal/the entire lineage of every Amalelkite ever deserves to be slaughtered with no mercy."

Clearly, the infants are not at fault for what the grown-ups did. This is a disturbing issue, then. Furthermore, God's solution to fix the problem was simply commanding his men to commit genocide?

This is God we're talking about! He could have fixed this problem in any feasible way! Why was killing infants part of the plan? Again, it still seems very strange.


Did you read the 2nd part of the response? God said he was going to spare the entire cities of Sodom and Gomorrah if there were just 5 righteous people there. Really, God does not destroy the righteous along with the wicked. This is why 2 Corinthians 6:17 says "Get out from among them, and separate yourselves": because he does not want you to be destroyed just like them. So if God told them to destroy that nation, he must have already known that there was no one good there. You never need to worry that God is acting unrighteously, because "It is unthinkable for the true God to act wickedly, for the Almighty to do wrong!" - Job 34:10

I'll consider that last scripture as also an answer to these questions from AdachiSan.
MITOLL
about 8 years
Should I drink beer or stick to liquors tomorrow?
Hard mode: don't use any vague verses that can be applied to anything
Kaioxys
about 8 years

thecolonel says

Who do I have to believe in to not perish but have eternal life?


"For God loved the world so much that he gave his only-begotten Son, so that everyone exercising faith in him might not be destroyed but have everlasting life." - John 3:16

The 'him' that we need to believe in is Jesus Christ.
"For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who recognizes the Son and exercises faith in him should have everlasting life, and I will resurrect him on the last day." - John 6:40

But what does it mean to believe in Jesus? John 20:31 elaborates a little bit. "You must believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and because of believing, you may have life by means of his name."

What was the purpose of this scripture? People knew that a messiah was coming(messiah and christ mean the same thing), and they were waiting for God to send him. The key point is that Jesus actually is the one prophesied about all the way back when Moses assembled the nation of Israel on Mount Horeb and God spoke to him saying "I will raise up from the midst of their brothers a prophet like you, and I will put my words in his mouth, and he will speak to them them all that I command him." (Deuteronomy 18:18) Many people recognized this sign in the first century: "When the people saw the sign he performed, they began to say: "This really is the prophet who was to come into the world."" (John 6:14)