He blatantly lies about him not having a history of grs.
Here is history. https://epicmafia.com/report/184979 . https://epicmafia.com/report/163759https://epicmafia.com/report/46528https://epicmafia.com/report/52890 You clearly gave the wrong information in order to close the report. I want other mods to handle this. He clearly has a very bad history and IF HE HAD TO LEAVE AND KNEW HE COULDN'T PARTICIPATE THEN WHY DID HE NOT LEAVE BEFORE SHOOTING. I KNOW HE HAD TO LEAVE, BUT I ALSO KNOW THAT HE COULD HAVE LEFT BEFORE SHOOTING. HE SHOT BEFORE LEAVING SO THAT HE COULD SHOOT MAFIA AND THEN PUT UP A VOTE AND LEAVE. SINCE HE DIDNT SHOOT MAFIA HE LEFT WHEN HE COULD HAVE PUT UP A VOTE AS HE WAS GONNA BLEED AND DIE AS BLEEDER ANYWAY
Why did you lie in the report to close it?
Once I pointed out that you lied you were supposed to reopen the appeal.
You didnt reopen and I filed a new report so you closed it again.
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Someone bump my "MIKEYRU" topic, he seriously got away with a grudge lynch and I never even got a mod reply
Look, I believe this case is a clear grs violation that discretion does not actually matter.
For instance, imagine someone harassing others in game for no reason with r- and f- words all game. That would be a clear HC vio, that discretion thingy would not matter.
Harassing people all day is a clear hc as this case is a clear grs.
And if mods no-vio that case... You would make fun of people who complain saying 'weh weh mods did a ruling i don't personally agree with'
there's a difference between vegging at night when your partner died vs. having irl stuff come up after a misshot ( due to being absent, IIRC ) in the day
if he suiied right after the shot, sure. but this reads more like 'actual irl might have come up' instead of suspiciously vegging after your partner died
if someone who is not in mod-circle would sui after mis shooting saying sth in life came up, mods would not believe and give the vio. not even a note. i gave an example in this thread.
at worst jeff's sui was a moment of stupidity. he didn't leave because of the misshot, he left bc of irl. that doesnt exactly match up to 'suiing because of game reasons,' mech or not.
The answer of that question can never be a clear yes or no. We are on the internet. We can actually lose connection and veg when it really looks like grs or we can grs and make it look like its not.
Grs vios are given with the question, "Did he leave the game in a very scummy moment?" (Like just after a mistake, like going into autolose) and answer to that question is a clear yes. plus that he could simply vote and die anyways.
its not official at all. if some user was given leniency that they did not grs and they in fact had internet disconect or something if they were in an autoloss game, it doesn't make the rule be that you can not GRS as mafia if you are in autoloss
going further, pranay says he believes jeff and that he had to legitimately go so lets get that out of the way. yes, you are correct bleeder is going to die, but maybe he doesn't want to force his reads onto the town when he wasn't able to really play and chose to suicide rather than shoot/lynch and hope for the best
That's not the point, Sinek8. The crux of the matter is: "Did he leave the game for any reason caused by the game itself?" The answer to that question is a clear no. This makes the suicide not game related and thus deserve no violation.
The other argument that I'm seeing here is that the mods handling the report are showing bias for another moderator. This is not the case. From a personal perspective I believe that Edark is the most eligible to handle a report filed against Jeff. The discretion that he used when handling this report was appropriate, especially given the follow-up explanation on the report itself for the suicide (those are taken into account when we make verdicts on reports).
If he had just voted and then left, his participation in the game would have been insufficient for a competitive (gold heart) game and could have been reported and given a violation for ISP. That's not something that he's obligated to do. If he had shot you (the illusionist) and done that and been reported for ISP, he would have received the ISP violation.
you also defined faking afk as fool all day to blitz the day is no vio. its your second definition (afaik), that i believe hurtful to mafia game again.
its officially allowed to suicide after we mis-shot. its not grs.
He did leave because he didn't shoot mafia. Day was almost over. He didn't have to leave. He could have voted and left. It takes a millisecond to vote. He suicided because of a game related reason. The mods agreed the suicide was suspicious and you also give him benefit of doubt despite his history.
Those are words from someone that doesn't want to take criticism, thus becoming an ignorant.
You started off as a great admin by willing to change things, but failed miserably by getting scared away by the negativity of this community to welcome changes and then decided to 'be okay' with what it is right now; because, going back to the beginning, you are unable to take criticism.
Regardless of what he "would have" done if he had shot you instead, he didn't leave this game because of an in-game related reason. This report was handled correctly.
Edark lying to help friend
