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Closed roles in Main Lobby

SirAmelio
about 8 years

This will probably get a bunch of people trolling me and tons of downvotes, but eh, might as well give it a try.

Inspired by this thread and dooze's comment on it https://epicmafia.com/topic/78196

I suggest that we add closed roles in main. Why, you may ask, as it's the thing that Sandbox is known for.

It is. However, Sandbox is also known for being a lobby in which very few people actually cares about what happens and thus the games get full of trolls, and people that just dont play the game properly.

And there are quite a few people that would enjoy playing closed roles setups with a bit more of seriousness. people that don't think there is a strategy for closed roles setups cleary havent played them enough, as in the ocassional serious sandbox games that happen now and then, there is a lot of tactics, role knowing, and speculation people can do, and it actually can be quite interesting.

Closed roles can't be used in ranked games, so it wouldn't ruin the competition in any way.

Yes, I know not everyone takes games seriously in Main either if they are unranked, but in overall, the userbase here is more game-oriented than in sandbox.

People in main that just don't like closed roles games can just... not play closed roles games, so that wouldn't really be an issue either.

idk, i think its worth arguing about it, unless there is a specific reason why they are not a thing here that im missing, which could be.

peace

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cub
about 8 years
there arent enough people on this site to start a game if you kick people

rarely you get a game that just happens to have good players and those always turn out well when they actually happen because people are actually playing and using logic to determine guilt and likewise attempting to explain oneself and their claimed role in accordance with their actions, which mafia can do and has done

i remember one time i knew that mafia was cthulhud based on cthulhu being silenced and a vent was talking through their partner to claim tree; mafia had that out to fool town, but i likewise followed the trail to mafia. unfortunately town fell for it and we lost, but i suppose that disproves the notion of mafia not having a strategy and likewise of town not being able to figure it out
poser
about 8 years
do you crumble or fold your toilet paper?
roadman
about 8 years
I will lay it out simply for you Amelio.

There are three types of player in main.

Fancy pants / guns and hookers players

Unranked players (circle jerkers)

Competitive players (95% terrible)
deletedabout 8 years
someone name a good movie i can watch
SirAmelio
about 8 years

roadman says

i have to be honest. I stopped reading your post when you said 6 setups is too limited.


read the rest of it and youll figure out what i mean.
SirAmelio
about 8 years
i mean it wouldn't be a merge of sandbox and train lobby


people would go to sandbox if they want a chiller, less serious enviroment, and go to main if they want ranked games or unranked but a bit more serious.
poser
about 8 years
i'm sure that 12 possible setups could slowly turn something like VDLI into BV and something else in between without INSTANTLY knowing which is which
roadman
about 8 years
i have to be honest. I stopped reading your post when you said 6 setups is too limited.
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OP is triggered rofl
roadman
about 8 years
6 setups is too limited.
poser
about 8 years
yeh but lucid would be more likely to give 6 MORE on top of the 6 possibilities, rather than making closed roles ranked altogether. as long as those setups werent allowed to be competitive.
roadman
about 8 years
Rose are Ian are just 2 people I unbanned early.
SirAmelio
about 8 years
i mean the thing is that multisetups are limited to 6 setups on one iirc, which is pretty limited compared to closed roles, and whether you make the 6 setups very different or very similar, it wouldn't be as good as closed roles setup

(if you make them very similar, itd just be a regular multisetup, if you make them too different, it'll be an easy enough setup to figure out by d1 with the probably death of a role plus knowing your own)
poser
about 8 years
ian was more masculine than me?

i guess dying for my sins is more masculine than i could ever top
roadman
about 8 years
As Ian won the masculinity thread, I believe we listen to him above others in this discussion, being that logic delineates from masculinity.
poser
about 8 years
if you guys want to play more seriously, just be more like error and kick the garbo players or make threads asking people whos willing to be serious for these types of things. is it more effort? yes, but at the same time merging everything into one sounds terrible
poser
about 8 years
i feel like a complex multisetup would suffice as a ranked closed roles replacement. iirc giga had one which was like "overturn to vdli" and it was confusing as balls but if there was a possibility to make it reasonably "surprising" it would be ok.. as long as everyone knew what they were getting into lol

ftr i still do not think training lobby players mesh with competitive players, therefore the "seasoned" sandbox players wouldnt mesh well with the absolute noobs in training who want to play closed roles unranked (when they look for "serious" plays)
groundhogday
about 8 years
Please refrain from making additional posts in this thread unless they follow a point-counterpoint format with regards to the topic at hand. I'm really getting sick of this.
roadman
about 8 years
Foxie, you're being very ignorant.
cub
about 8 years
i guess it depends on what competitive means to you

if it means predictability, then youre right

if it means better players can still win using skill, its perfectly viable
roadman
about 8 years

SirAmelio says


roadman says

These arent personal preferences. I'm telling you what is viable in a competitive environment. i enjoy sweet dreams, but mechanically it's devoid of much practicality.


i insist, we are not asking for competitive closed roles


I didn't say competitive Mafia, I said a competitive environment, ie people who take the game seriously.
groundhogday
about 8 years

EtherealFan says

Care-o-line


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SirAmelio
about 8 years

roadman says

These arent personal preferences. I'm telling you what is viable in a competitive environment. i enjoy sweet dreams, but mechanically it's devoid of much practicality.


i insist, we are not asking for competitive closed roles
roadman
about 8 years
These arent personal preferences. I'm telling you what is viable in a competitive environment. i enjoy sweet dreams, but mechanically it's devoid of much practicality.
deletedabout 8 years
Care-o-line