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if we're freeing A&D

Hibiki
over 9 years

can we at least remake it again to so that maybe the point payout will be better this time?

Ryze
over 9 years
The difference in scum winrate between A&D and SDS is only 1%....
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Peta says


Patrick says


Peta says


Patrick says

i've come to think about how bad most epicmafia setups are in a mafia sense and how they only work because of the playerbase and established meta on epicmafia so if people wanna play another bad setup then oh well


OK but we reached this consensus 3-4 years ago.


not according to the 7 pages and ongoing right now about A&D being unbanned


This isn't about setup quality; it's about setup balance.


there's no way to balance A&D lol
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dice https://epicmafia.com/game/4006825?password=bbe7a403b1d88d6ee0133417a21da94346fce808
pranay7744
over 9 years
no bronto is lying. it was done with just 4 other mods, one of them being dave. arcbell the admin was against it. and 3 other mods who agreed were all bad and one of them came out later as a cheater. 1 was demodded for worse reasons.
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change hateful comment vios then, what a stupid freaking vio that is.

I'd literally have as many hateful comment vios as games played if she specc'd my games
Renaldo
over 9 years

pranay7744 says

hipfire happens in all other gun setups too. so stop giving bad reasons.

PS: bronto is mad. so mad. he is burning


I'm boiling. I'm little teapot, full of boiling, angry water.
Hibiki
over 9 years
60% scumsided is FAR too scumsided. i don't even care about SDS at this point - no one ever played 60% scumsided and it was never quoted as a limit unless it was hush hush mods only
Peta
over 9 years

pranay7744 says

hipfire happens in all other gun setups too. so stop giving bad reasons.

PS: bronto is mad. so mad. he is burning


You wear dress shirts from the '70s and you pop your collar over the lapels of your jacket.
Ryze
over 9 years
Like that 1% matters......
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Devante says

a mod should really tell helsinski that a person can't get 2 different violations for one game, i've seen her take the lead and give multiple violations to a user in one game.




1 game related and 1 community vio/game iirc.
Peta
over 9 years

Patrick says


Peta says


Patrick says

i've come to think about how bad most epicmafia setups are in a mafia sense and how they only work because of the playerbase and established meta on epicmafia so if people wanna play another bad setup then oh well


OK but we reached this consensus 3-4 years ago.


not according to the 7 pages and ongoing right now about A&D being unbanned


This isn't about setup quality; it's about setup balance.
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Sims says

i don't see why a&d would be more scumsided than sds


it's day 1 mylo 18% of the time instead of day 1 mylo nearly 100% of the time
Renaldo
over 9 years

bell says

It wasn't done arbitrarily, SDS was comped last round with the same imbalance as A&D and did fine. It doesn't make sense to disallow one over the other since they have the same payout. guns for everyone


A&D is 58/41 and SDS is 57/42 - that's not the same.

just make rules to go with these changes, please.
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dice https://epicmafia.com/game/4006825?password=bbe7a403b1d88d6ee0133417a21da94346fce808
pranay7744
over 9 years
hipfire happens in all other gun setups too. so stop giving bad reasons.

PS: bronto is mad. so mad. he is burning
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Peta says


Patrick says

i've come to think about how bad most epicmafia setups are in a mafia sense and how they only work because of the playerbase and established meta on epicmafia so if people wanna play another bad setup then oh well


OK but we reached this consensus 3-4 years ago.


not according to the 7 pages and ongoing right now about A&D being unbanned
Togepi
over 9 years

Hibiki says

VDLI was 51town 49mafia back in the day. things have changed


Didn't those numbers flip flop at some point?
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Renaldo says

it's not about 'power' it's about making rules and following them. there's no point in having any kind of rules surrounding a competition if they aren't being followed.


Janitorial 101, at 61%, was indeed excluded under the old rules. Your rule literally only banned A&D
Sims
over 9 years
i don't see why a&d would be more scumsided than sds
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bell says

It wasn't done arbitrarily, SDS was comped last round with the same imbalance as A&D and did fine. It doesn't make sense to disallow one over the other since they have the same payout. guns for everyone


so which mod wants to run on it
AmishGuy
over 9 years

Lashka says

Every setup is way more scumsided now than in the past. The entire comp playerbase has got more scumsided and has been doing so for at least 2 years.


bring back comp lobby get rid of FP players setups will balance out
Peta
over 9 years

Patrick says

i've come to think about how bad most epicmafia setups are in a mafia sense and how they only work because of the playerbase and established meta on epicmafia so if people wanna play another bad setup then oh well


OK but we reached this consensus 3-4 years ago.
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jana says


Slow says


jana says


Peta says


jana says

are you making fun of me peta i think you are


I like to leave my posts to the interpretation of the reader.


i actually read it in slow's voice bc it seemed like something he would say so i don't know what that means


it means that you have bad consistency with inner dialogue.


tell me you wouldn't call my poo-post "wild" in a sarcastic manner


wild, as defined by jana in accordance to my own usage of it: wild.
Hibiki
over 9 years
VDLI was 51town 49mafia back in the day. things have changed
Renaldo
over 9 years

Hibiki says

renaldo, i'm the only person that ever said "nothing should be more scumsided than SDS" so widely regarded is false. but i also happen to be right anyway


nah i spoke to others about this when i was deliberating and it was agreed upon, even if it was a small group.