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deletedabout 10 years

I've been trying to keep my mouth shut for quite a while, but I've decided to finally make this thread because there are a lot of things that need to be addressed. No one is coming out with it when several people have complained about this, so I've decided to be the sacrificial lamb and post on behalf of the entire community. And if I lose any chance of being a moderator and fixing up the site, so be it. I'm more concerned that we have respectable people leading EM.

Reasons the mod team is unprofessional:

Jericho, a previously banned user, is modded. He reported Caroline for OGI to spite her for their previous tension, without addressing the guy who actually GRS'd.

https://epicmafia.com/report/120879

https://epicmafia.com/report/120890

https://epicmafia.com/report/120895

Vancy / Rutab used modding powers to find my secret alt, which would have been fine, but one of them then unexusably told many non-mods I especially did not trust that I was Flux. This is the only conclusion I can come to.

http://puu.sh/dyrfw/bde512af32.png

http://puu.sh/dyrgV/3714296891.png

Kino account shared with a banned user. This is unexusable in any case. Not only should she be punished, but she should definitely not be moderating the site.

I have no personal issue with any of the mods, but it truly does seem that it's a bit of a circlejerk. If I'm not mistaken, most of the moderators are close or at least have a mutual connection. This is a huge problem and I think others should be given a chance to mod, since most of them are not serious about the well-being of the site.

Moderators are supposed to be our system of control. It's supposed to be professional work. This is anything but. If you are not going to do what's good for the community, please don't become a moderator.

QRich
about 10 years
Did you also believe he loved you
AnnieXD
about 10 years

runwithfire says

Right, but if he's using the "weareking got on my account" excuse, a lot more could have been done under that guise


Except not everyone wants to indirectly sabotage the site or would have thought of such a plan
QRich
about 10 years
The naivety is comical.
runwithfire
about 10 years
Right, but if he's using the "weareking got on my account" excuse, a lot more could have been done under that guise
AnnieXD
about 10 years

runwithfire says

He made the mistake of connecting an alt account that a banned user made, which he believed had long been off it, to his main. This banned user then switched from their old alt to its new main. I didn't believe this at the time because I didn't realize it was possible (the log in weareking was using had to be very old), so I guess we both lack common sense. Making a mistake does not make someone stupid. If we're not going to allow anyone that's made a stupid mistake to mod, we should probably just get rid of the system as a whole, because there wouldn't be anyone on this site left to do it.

Any speculation that he intentionally wants to sabotage the site is a joke and I'm not humoring it. If Goodbar wanted to ruin the site, he could've done a little better than deleting reports.


He "believed had long been off it" - he should be more precautionary and not believe such things. Also it is common sense that some banned users especially notorious ones such as weareking remain logged into old accounts and yeah you probably do lack common sense too but that's a different topic for another day. Making a mistake doesn't make someone stupid but the mistake he made is clear stupidity. Also making a mistake that causes chaos and breach of a mod account should not allow him to be a mod again.

the latter paragraph - if you read what I said, I mentioned he might have wanted to sabotage the site in an indirect way (meaning he doesn't do it himself like passive rather than active). Had he started deleting reports himself and went on a banning rampage he'd be permanently banned from the site. I was addressing the possibility that he wants to sabotage the site in a way where he doesn't punished at all (getting away with the damage he causes so much that he's allowed to remod).
QRich
about 10 years

runwithfire says

, so I guess we both lack common sense.


Admission is the first step to recovery.

Now apply this elsewhere.
runwithfire
about 10 years
He made the mistake of connecting an alt account that a banned user made, which he believed had long been off it, to his main. This banned user then switched from their old alt to its new main. I didn't believe this at the time because I didn't realize it was possible (the log in weareking was using had to be very old), so I guess we both lack common sense. Making a mistake does not make someone stupid. If we're not going to allow anyone that's made a stupid mistake to mod, we should probably just get rid of the system as a whole, because there wouldn't be anyone on this site left to do it.

Any speculation that he intentionally wants to sabotage the site is a joke and I'm not humoring it. If Goodbar wanted to ruin the site, he could've done a little better than deleting reports.
shimmi
about 10 years
old rule was anyone with ban or cheating vio could never be mod
shimmi
about 10 years
if mod outted alt information to non-mod, that mod should be demodded immediately
Arcbell
about 10 years

OP says

Vancy / Rutab used modding powers to find my secret alt, which would have been fine, but one of them then unexusably told many non-mods I especially did not trust that I was Flux. This is the only conclusion I can come to.

http://puu.sh/dyrfw/bde512af32.png

http://puu.sh/dyrgV/3714296891.png


Apple, there are other possibilities which could have lead to your secret alt being revealed. There is no reason to assume it was one of them who outed your alt (unless there is and I missed it)

Alts can be deduced in many ways without mod privileges. If you'd like me to look into how exactly your alt was outed I don't mind doing that for you (PM me) but please don't default to blaming vancy or rutab without evidence.
AnnieXD
about 10 years

runwithfire says


caroline says

rutab i actually think you are a fine mod, however goodbar let weareking (?) on his account this past summer - demodded. kino let eris on her account, demodded first time, should be demodded now.


If kino was forcibly removed the first time, it's news to me. Goodbar let weareking on his account by pure accident (while weareking was banned, no?), and was removed only to get weareking off the account. Nothing more, nothing less. He was not punished for an honest mistake



I don't think he should be punished for such but certainly not be allowed to moderate. He made the stupid mistake of allowing a banned user onto his account and stupid people shouldn't be mods.

Also that's just one speculation, here's another speculation -
goodbar knew weareking could access his account (common sense that a user can switch to main account when it's linked) and linked the alt to his main on purpose. ie. Goodbar knew what he was doing but wanted to pretend he didn't because he wants to sabotage the site in an indirect way where he doesn't get punished/banned.
HEAVYBREATHING
about 10 years
it's obvious mods are immature, do you know any adults that have time to do a job that is:
not paid
not respected
not fun
?
deletedabout 10 years
Hi Dan.
Platypops
about 10 years
Demod everyone and let anarchy rule
ark
about 10 years
Bad thread, laurierose was modded, alts aren't that big of a deal if anonymity is that important to you just self delete and start from scratch, the only viable point I see is the kino one, but from what I have gathered that has been sorted.

I agree with riot.
gistofeverything
about 10 years
But he's a nice person :(
gistofeverything
about 10 years
wait no i like pereking
Sims
about 10 years

keri says

demod pereking !!!!!!!


agreed
deletedabout 10 years

LadyNemesis says

Caroline, I think a formerly banned user could eventually become a mod. People can change over time and I don't think you have to keep punishing someone over a former offence. I do think the reason of the previous ban should be taken into account.



This is the mentality people should aim for.
runwithfire
about 10 years

caroline says

rutab i actually think you are a fine mod, however goodbar let weareking (?) on his account this past summer - demodded. kino let eris on her account, demodded first time, should be demodded now.


If kino was forcibly removed the first time, it's news to me. Goodbar let weareking on his account by pure accident (while weareking was banned, no?), and was removed only to get weareking off the account. Nothing more, nothing less. He was not punished for an honest mistake


Steven says

Was GT what Jericho was banned for? I agree the banned user thing should be in context and even now, demodding Jericho would be silly since he's part of the team already, but I wouldn't make it a habit to let GT off the hook just IMO, it's basically the same degree as cheating. (Going by what caro implied I don't know anything about the circumstances)


Iirc he was banned for reaching 8 vios. I have no idea what the last was.
deletedabout 10 years
Reading the game in question gave me an aneurysm.
deletedabout 10 years
demod pereking !!!!!!!
Platypops
about 10 years

Harunan says


Platypops says

I wish people stopped discriminating against banned users.


I'm all for giving users a chance but banned users are banned for a reason and they should not be put in charge of banning users.


Foxie: what about me

I was actually offered to be a mod and I was banned before (although I turned it down since I never leave sandbox and can't even post in this forum).
Steven
about 10 years
Was GT what Jericho was banned for? I agree the banned user thing should be in context and even now, demodding Jericho would be silly since he's part of the team already, but I wouldn't make it a habit to let GT off the hook just IMO, it's basically the same degree as cheating. (Going by what caro implied I don't know anything about the circumstances)

Also probably too late, but account sharing should definitely be demoddable unless it's with admin permission or something. Don't see how that's even a question. Not that I have anything against kino, she's pretty cool, I just don't see why she'd ever be let off the hook.

Just my two cents.
deletedabout 10 years
well, i would say gamethrowing vios are pretty serious