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deletedabout 10 years

I've been trying to keep my mouth shut for quite a while, but I've decided to finally make this thread because there are a lot of things that need to be addressed. No one is coming out with it when several people have complained about this, so I've decided to be the sacrificial lamb and post on behalf of the entire community. And if I lose any chance of being a moderator and fixing up the site, so be it. I'm more concerned that we have respectable people leading EM.

Reasons the mod team is unprofessional:

Jericho, a previously banned user, is modded. He reported Caroline for OGI to spite her for their previous tension, without addressing the guy who actually GRS'd.

https://epicmafia.com/report/120879

https://epicmafia.com/report/120890

https://epicmafia.com/report/120895

Vancy / Rutab used modding powers to find my secret alt, which would have been fine, but one of them then unexusably told many non-mods I especially did not trust that I was Flux. This is the only conclusion I can come to.

http://puu.sh/dyrfw/bde512af32.png

http://puu.sh/dyrgV/3714296891.png

Kino account shared with a banned user. This is unexusable in any case. Not only should she be punished, but she should definitely not be moderating the site.

I have no personal issue with any of the mods, but it truly does seem that it's a bit of a circlejerk. If I'm not mistaken, most of the moderators are close or at least have a mutual connection. This is a huge problem and I think others should be given a chance to mod, since most of them are not serious about the well-being of the site.

Moderators are supposed to be our system of control. It's supposed to be professional work. This is anything but. If you are not going to do what's good for the community, please don't become a moderator.

deletedabout 10 years
ITT empire tries to prove people wrong while knowing nothing of the situation
deletedabout 10 years

Empire says


appleofmyeye says

Jericho, a previously banned user, is modded.


There is nothing inherently wrong with this.


appleofmyeye says

He reported Caroline for OGI to spite her for their previous tension


She broke a rule. The reason it was reported later was because there was a kind of understood thing that everyone in the game was trolling so none of us cared. The second one report was brought out though, why would Caro be allowed to walk away without a violation despite blatantly breaking a rule at the same time?


appleofmyeye says

without addressing the guy who actually GRS'd.


No one GRS'd. As far as the actual game goes, we were having fun. Just because it's against the rules doesn't mean that it was not funny. Jen expressed similar sentiments in the original report-expressing how hilarious she found the game and how she hated to be the fun police. Should Jen be demodded as well?


your ignorance is showing
deletedabout 10 years

TheOnlyJazzNation1 says

But Calv that was probably one of the most girly and petty things I have seen someone do.


You don't really know what you're talking about.


Harunan says

The moderation of this game is worse than ever, truth be told. The only mods I hold any sort of respect for now, are Jackhammer and Tashie.


You paid 0 attention to the game or any of the comments on it and I demonstrated such within them. You have, well, no idea what you're talking about and should stop while you're ahead.

Hint: Anyone who actually read the comments/case knows Jen handled it correctly and was arguably one of the few people to actually understand what the case was about. Goodbar was the same and gave an interesting yet unconvincing approach to it before kind of conceding. Rutab/Pereking debatable because they don't know how consistency works.


Harunan says

I also noticed the "closeness" of moderators a while ago, Apple. When Thebrontosaurus was administrator it seemed that the mods were a bit more... "diverse," for lack of a better term? There were mods from all sorts of parts of the site (himapapaftw and Moocow primarily being Sandbox users as an example), but since Vancy has become administrator they all seem to be from the same Main circlejerk.


You again do not know what you are talking about.
deletedabout 10 years

appleofmyeye says

Jericho, a previously banned user, is modded.


There is nothing inherently wrong with this.


appleofmyeye says

He reported Caroline for OGI to spite her for their previous tension


She broke a rule. The reason it was reported later was because there was a kind of understood thing that everyone in the game was trolling so none of us cared. The second one report was brought out though, why would Caro be allowed to walk away without a violation despite blatantly breaking a rule at the same time?


appleofmyeye says

without addressing the guy who actually GRS'd.


No one GRS'd. As far as the actual game goes, we were having fun. Just because it's against the rules doesn't mean that it was not funny. Jen expressed similar sentiments in the original report-expressing how hilarious she found the game and how she hated to be the fun police. Should Jen be demodded as well?
SirAmelio
about 10 years
I know some people have been told that the main reason they weren't modded was because X mod didn't like them, when they have tons of mod qualities but ok. I know having someone you trust aka friends is a good idea for working together, but it also generates corruption easier.

All the current sandbox mods are part of the same circlejerk or are at least friends ever since before being mods, and that is objectivly wrong.
ark
about 10 years

Steven says

Well Connor, The agreement should have never happened in the first place.

Hibiki
about 10 years
it was a gr8 judgement call to make imho
Steven
about 10 years
Well Connor, what you did was totally okay FYPOV. The agreement should have never happened in the first place just IMO, but that's admin fault not yours.

But yeah I have no clue why everyone's saying it's okay now
Hibiki
about 10 years
it actually annoys me that so many people called for my head because i shared with kerry AFTER a responsibility agreement was made with the admin (which was fair), yet now people are justifying/allowing/accepting secretly sharing with a user that single handedly lead to detriment to the site
deletedabout 10 years
also regardless of how i personally feel about kino, sharing your account with someone no matter how you look at it should be an instant demodding. that's how it's been since modding was introduced back in 3.0 and that's how it should stay.
deletedabout 10 years
without completely dismissing your points in the op, you have to understand a couple of things about the state of moderation, one being that mods modding friends has been a thing for a long time. i'm not encouraging doing such but there's a stigma where people seem to overlook someone's capabilities over just choosing their friend who they think in their head will be better to work with. i can't even deny that i didn't want to try and mod my friends but it wasn't merely because they were my friends, it was also that i thought they would be good mods and sometimes that is the case so choosing a reputable person over some no-name or perhaps skeptical choice is overall more appealing for reasons already stated. again, people are going to deny it, but these reputable choices are more than often chosen over the sketpical ones because there is a fear instilled that the community will have a backlash and it will turn on the mods.

i think the last point is silly and that the community should trust who the mods choose but given this is a weaker mod team in the sense that it hasn't built a foundation comparative when riot/sachy were running the show so i digress.
AnnieXD
about 10 years
Kino tried to show us she was a "good epicmafia moderator" lol, when eris was doing all the work. It's clear how kino used to do a plethora of reports regularly and now is slacking. Kino is basically useless without eris, basically just an empty moderator seat.
Steven
about 10 years
No arcbekl the difference was that in your case you had admin supervision, what kino did was not permitted and done behind the scenes
AnnieXD
about 10 years
Also epicmafia moderation should be aiming higher than other sites and so committing a mod mistake on epicmafia is like a sin.
runwithfire
about 10 years
You should put that on your CV
AnnieXD
about 10 years

runwithfire says

You've made mistakes too.


I've made a few mistakes IRL and on the internet but never have I made a mistake as a moderator on any site.
runwithfire
about 10 years
for life
AnnieXD
about 10 years

Arcbell says


AnnieXD says

With the kino situation - it doesn't matter what he had to offer or whether he was banned at the time. Kino account shared with another user as a mod which again is breach of moderation. Also he wasn't all that effective, his programs were ErisCache and ErisSearch which weren't all that great, they had some faults in it too where proxies would cause mismatch such as - bozo being accused of being trolololmonkey (an account made before bozo's first account)


He wasn't banned at the time he got Kino's password. He was banned after that.


Read the part where I say it "whether he was banned at the time". Kino still account shared as a mod which should make her barred as moderator on epicmafia for life.
AnnieXD
about 10 years

runwithfire says


AnnieXD says

He "believed had long been off it" - he should be more precautionary and not believe such things.


I'm sure he would agree with you. As far as remaining logged into old accounts, I didn't know about saving cookies until long after. Not knowing that isn't a lack of common sense, it's a lack of knowledge of the various exploits of internet trolls. Get off your high horse. You've made mistakes too. As far as his goes, it was a one off and non-malicious. There are many criticisms you could make about the mod team, but this is among the most trivial.


No it's not trivial at all, I elaborated on the point but you just cut off the rest and even so I want an epicmafia moderation utopia where the mods all behave perfect.
Arcbell
about 10 years

AnnieXD says

With the kino situation - it doesn't matter what he had to offer or whether he was banned at the time. Kino account shared with another user as a mod which again is breach of moderation. Also he wasn't all that effective, his programs were ErisCache and ErisSearch which weren't all that great, they had some faults in it too where proxies would cause mismatch such as - bozo being accused of being trolololmonkey (an account made before bozo's first account)


He wasn't banned at the time he got Kino's password. He was banned after that.
AnnieXD
about 10 years
With the kino situation - it doesn't matter what he had to offer or whether he was banned at the time. Kino account shared with another user as a mod which again is breach of moderation. Also he wasn't all that effective, his programs were ErisCache and ErisSearch which weren't all that great, they had some faults in it too where proxies would cause mismatch such as - bozo being accused of being trolololmonkey (an account made before bozo's first account)
runwithfire
about 10 years

AnnieXD says

He "believed had long been off it" - he should be more precautionary and not believe such things.


I'm sure he would agree with you. As far as remaining logged into old accounts, I didn't know about saving cookies until long after. Not knowing that isn't a lack of common sense, it's a lack of knowledge of the various exploits of internet trolls. Get off your high horse. You've made mistakes too. As far as his goes, it was a one off and non-malicious. There are many criticisms you could make about the mod team, but this is among the most trivial.
Arcbell
about 10 years

shimmi says

if mod outted alt information to non-mod, that mod should be demodded immediately


What I'm saying is that this is not necessarily the case. There's lots of ways this could have happened without Rutab or Vancy leaking mod info.
Arcbell
about 10 years

OP says

Kino account shared with a banned user. This is unexusable in any case. Not only should she be punished, but she should definitely not be moderating the site.


She didn't actually. She account shared with a regular user (Eris) who became a banned user afterwards. Eris has tools which can be very useful to moderation, but he tends to only offer them at a price. He was also a very effective mod himself. I don't condone account sharing with Eris, because he's not someone I think the mod team should be trusting, but trustworthy non-mods having mod accounts to help the mod team is not all that uncommon.

When I stepped down from mod position, LaurieRose account shared with me. This was approved by bronto. I was not a mod at the time, but I needed a mod account to update Monocle. If I decided to troll all of a sudden and got myself banned, then I'd be a banned user who had access to a mod account. The only difference in these situations is that Eris probably shouldn't have been trusted.
AnnieXD
about 10 years

AnnieXD says


runwithfire says

He made the mistake of connecting an alt account that a banned user made, which he believed had long been off it, to his main. This banned user then switched from their old alt to its new main. I didn't believe this at the time because I didn't realize it was possible (the log in weareking was using had to be very old), so I guess we both lack common sense. Making a mistake does not make someone stupid. If we're not going to allow anyone that's made a stupid mistake to mod, we should probably just get rid of the system as a whole, because there wouldn't be anyone on this site left to do it.

Any speculation that he intentionally wants to sabotage the site is a joke and I'm not humoring it. If Goodbar wanted to ruin the site, he could've done a little better than deleting reports.


He "believed had long been off it" - he should be more precautionary and not believe such things. Also it is common sense that some banned users especially notorious ones such as weareking remain logged into old accounts and yeah you probably do lack common sense too but that's a different topic for another day. Making a mistake doesn't make someone stupid but the mistake he made is clear stupidity. Also making a mistake that causes chaos and breach of a mod account should not allow him to be a mod again.

the latter paragraph - if you read what I said, I mentioned he might have wanted to sabotage the site in an indirect way (meaning he doesn't do it himself like passive rather than active). Had he started deleting reports himself and went on a banning rampage he'd be permanently banned from the site. I was addressing the possibility that he wants to sabotage the site in a way where he doesn't punished at all (getting away with the damage he causes so much that he's allowed to remod).