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Never Refund?

xxerox
almost 10 years

Is this a policy? No matter how one trolls or ruins the game, moderators never refund it? Its this some god damn conspiracy or something? Why when someone trolls, gets a gt vio, and is suspended there is no Refund? Why no one ever gives refunds, if someone in the game gets a vio??????????

I mean literally, You are giving points to a winning side, that won only because of the troll/gt user :/ And you encorage such gameplay.

Why not for instance... Remove the player with violation Off the Round, and refund the game!

P.S. If someone gets a Violation through a round, i think its just fair, he to be removed from the round. I don't like players that get a GT vio for 24 hours come back after those 24 hours just to throw again.

The current bad guidelines that need to be improved : https://epicmafia.com/topic/61726

BUMB. Cos its happening again 20 days later, and nothing changed.

deletedalmost 10 years
i remember when i played (read: didn't run) all round and didn't even think about refunds when reporting people. then i realised i was a step away from a trophy and reported a legitimately ruined game to get a refund and i was shot down on the basis that the game was like a week old and got called every synonym for "scrounger" under the sun and caused the mods to enact a statute of limitations on reports.
Steven
almost 10 years

Retti says

i don't think anyone is making it set in stone if that's how it has to be so i think as long as the context is used as a sort of reference instead of final say it should be fine


When rigid formula are used regardless of if they are meant as context or not they are used too heavily as if they were rules and it causes way too many problems.

When new mods or current mods start thinking "Ok, generally speaking, only refund if X happens" they will hardly even start considering other cases
deletedalmost 10 years
if there isn't a rule being violated in the game, then you do not refund the game.
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But does that count things like notes? I am not ever saying refund for bad play, but what about being lenient toward newer players that do not receive a violation?
jack
almost 10 years

Sims says

good players don't need mulligans


https://epicmafia.com/report/112160
Steven
almost 10 years

Rutab says

"No vio - no refund" needs to be changed as well IMO. It is probably the worst thing that is stated in that thread


dumb idea or dumb idea
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Rutab says

"No vio - no refund" needs to be changed as well IMO. It is probably the worst thing that is stated in that thread


No, it really doesn't. Refunding for bad play is awful.
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Rutab says

"No vio - no refund" needs to be changed as well IMO. It is probably the worst thing that is stated in that thread


no
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Rutab says

"No vio - no refund" needs to be changed as well IMO. It is probably the worst thing that is stated in that thread


i disagree, personally.
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"No vio - no refund" needs to be changed as well IMO. It is probably the worst thing that is stated in that thread
deletedalmost 10 years
I don't see why everyone else should be punished on account of "report scrounging".

The people that GT or otherwise negatively impact the game certainly won't stop doing so just because games aren't being refunded.

The only people that benefit from this are the people that are causing the harm in the first place, and if refunding games creates too many reports then you should assign more moderators to deal with them.
xxerox
almost 10 years
@Vancy : Here you go
Sims
almost 10 years
good players don't need mulligans
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Venus says

What is rutab on about


Revelations upon revelations that are to be determined, Sachy.
Sims
almost 10 years

Idiom says


Sims says

if you need refunds to win a trophy, you're weak.


I hope I don't ever hear a mod say that, that's just bad modding.


good thing that statement has nothing to do with modding
deletedalmost 10 years
@xxerox If this link could be amended into the original post, it would be great: https://epicmafia.com/topic/61726

These are the current (loose) guidelines we use for refunding games. Just something for you guys to reference when you're suggesting how we can improve the system.

Edit: thanks xxerox!
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Sims says

if you need refunds to win a trophy, you're weak.


I hope I don't ever hear a mod say that, that's just bad modding.
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What is rutab on about
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I brought it up because I want the community to know our exact thoughts and ideas as we go along so we can get the most constructive feedback possible. Honestly, I see nothing wrong with it.

Each scenario will not be looked at with some set-in-stone standards that never change; we will decide contextually if said scenario deserves a refund.
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Thus speaketh one of the worst scroungers there was, Connor~.

The current policy worked fine. I won two rounds ago without a single refund. I could possibly have got one but I didn't, but it didn't matter because nobody else did.

Well, except ape. And look how that turned out.
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i remember how i started the word "scrounging". i started it. then billstickers accused me of it. full circle.
Sims
almost 10 years
if you need refunds to win a trophy, you're weak.
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Rutab says

@Connor

Yeah I know but I think it's easier for us (especially newer mods) to have something to reference. It doesn't mean we wouldn't be looking at each case the same way. We would obviously need to look at each scenario differently, as they are all different


if that's so obvious then why bring up the idea in the first place
deletedalmost 10 years
well frankly i don't give a frick if you think that riot. not refunding ruined games to reduce reports is just replacing one problem with another.

you can still be strict with refunds without going to the point that you did
ling
almost 10 years
The best forum drama revolved around people accusing each other of scrouging that owned