Epicmafia

Never Refund?

almost 10 years

Is this a policy? No matter how one trolls or ruins the game, moderators never refund it? Its this some god damn conspiracy or something? Why when someone trolls, gets a gt vio, and is suspended there is no Refund? Why no one ever gives refunds, if someone in the game gets a vio??????????

I mean literally, You are giving points to a winning side, that won only because of the troll/gt user :/ And you encorage such gameplay.

Why not for instance... Remove the player with violation Off the Round, and refund the game!

P.S. If someone gets a Violation through a round, i think its just fair, he to be removed from the round. I don't like players that get a GT vio for 24 hours come back after those 24 hours just to throw again.

The current bad guidelines that need to be improved : https://epicmafia.com/topic/61726

BUMB. Cos its happening again 20 days later, and nothing changed.

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frankly, i think games should be refunded contextually, like if someone GT'd on their GT alt, i.e. nevermaf throwing against me on his GT alt in 232. but c'est la vie.

xxerox

almost 10 years

This one is golden : Mafia loses the game, after they are lynched, after one of their members pretty much GT the entire game, but the game is not refunded because : Moderators think town would have won anyway.

Steven

almost 10 years

Whats the current precedent for hipfiring, I'm confused.

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Sims says

Retti says

xxerox says

Lets say, Sheriff Hipfires D1, and shoots hooker. Town wins easily after that. People report the one who hipfire, but his excuse is that he shot mafia so he did not gt. At the end there is no refund, because He was going to shoot the same user the next day no matter what.

me and goodbar strongarmed a change to the precedent that hipfiring can fall under Trolling/GT and is to be refunded if the user showed intent by either grudge or disregard someone's role completely

that was completely me, actually. lucid wanted it to be trolling & i made the thread for it

well

me and goodbar talked about it in mod chat FIRST and i commented on the thread

it was a group effort, really

Sims

almost 10 years

typical retti, taking credit for someone else's work.

Sims

almost 10 years

Retti says

xxerox says

Lets say, Sheriff Hipfires D1, and shoots hooker. Town wins easily after that. People report the one who hipfire, but his excuse is that he shot mafia so he did not gt. At the end there is no refund, because He was going to shoot the same user the next day no matter what.

me and goodbar strongarmed a change to the precedent that hipfiring can fall under Trolling/GT and is to be refunded if the user showed intent by either grudge or disregard someone's role completely

that was completely me, actually. lucid wanted it to be trolling & i made the thread for it

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that is gamethrow

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xxerox says

Lets say, Sheriff Hipfires D1, and shoots hooker. Town wins easily after that. People report the one who hipfire, but his excuse is that he shot mafia so he did not gt. At the end there is no refund, because He was going to shoot the same user the next day no matter what.

P.S. This really happened.

That is still a game throw, as Venus said. IMO that should be refunded because it negatively impacted the game. It may have been *better* for town, but had he not hip fired, the game would have progressed differently.

Edit: I keep forgetting that hip firing is trolling now and not game throwing.

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xxerox says

Lets say, Sheriff Hipfires D1, and shoots hooker. Town wins easily after that. People report the one who hipfire, but his excuse is that he shot mafia so he did not gt. At the end there is no refund, because He was going to shoot the same user the next day no matter what.

me and goodbar strongarmed a change to the precedent that hipfiring can fall under Trolling/GT and is to be refunded if the user showed intent by either grudge or disregard someone's role completely

Sims

almost 10 years

demod rutab for stating his opinion

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IMO, it should be "was the game (not team) impacted large enough to change the outcome of what originally was set". Now, you could go on saying that "oh well you never know how the game would be played out", but in all honesty the probability of something drastically changing in the middle of a game is pretty low, especially with some of the setups that get comped.

deletedalmost 10 years

That's still gting

xxerox

almost 10 years

Lets say, Sheriff Hipfires D1, and shoots hooker. Town wins easily after that. People report the one who hipfire, but his excuse is that he shot mafia so he did not gt. At the end there is no refund, because He was going to shoot the same user the next day no matter what.

P.S. This really happened.

Sims

almost 10 years

hurry up

Steven

almost 10 years

Basically the question that mods are currently asking when they refund games is "was the affected team on the better position when the game was affected" when they should be asking "did the rule breaker put the team in a worse position" because it is not for them to judge whether town would have been able to scumhunt correctly or not.

That's my two cents.

Retti says

my mindset was to always refund if the offense had a big enough impact on the game to affect the outcome or give an opposing side an unfair advantage

that being said do you have an example?

Basically this

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In all seriousness, a discussion has been set up. For now, please be patient as we discuss.

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*spreads tentacles lovingly over xxerox's face*

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and yes I was obviously suggesting that some people here are not human. ~_~

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Corruption says

Refund all my losses.

revoke his trophies instead.

Sims

almost 10 years

my mindset was to refund the game if i was in it and i suicided

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xxerox says

idk why you put "human" in "" its like you are suggesting some of us are not humans.

Speak for yourself

deletedalmost 10 years

my mindset was to always refund if the offense had a big enough impact on the game to affect the outcome or give an opposing side an unfair advantage

that being said do you have an example?

xxerox

almost 10 years

idk why you put "human" in "" its like you are suggesting some of us are not humans.

deletedalmost 10 years

Yeh u tell him Rutab!!!!!

Sims

almost 10 years

when i was a moderator i used a military training regimen that allowed me to work while only needing 4 hours of sleep a night. the rest of my time was devoted to improving epicmafia